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Latest comment: 24 days ago by KS at Unite America in topic Specifying my History section request

Requested move 23 May 2018

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 01:25, 31 May 2018 (UTC)Reply



The Centrist ProjectUnite America – organization rebranded from The Centrist Project to Unite America in early 2018. The Wikipedia entry should reflect this new name for ease of navigation and organizational clarity. Msmithey (talk) 21:57, 23 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

  • Support - Unfortunately the new name isn't very search friendly, but I have found several mainstream sources (AP in particular) that report on the name change. Can't see any reason to object. -- Netoholic @ 07:25, 26 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Question about the infobox

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My name is Kevin Singer and I'm the communications director for Unite America. I have a question for anyone watching this page: Would it be possible to add the Unite America logo to the infobox? I notice that it's a pretty common infobox feature for organizations like ours. Is there anything I would need to do to make this happen? KS at Unite America (talk) 16:31, 29 April 2026 (UTC)Reply

I will do this now. MediaKyle (talk) 21:15, 3 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
 Done. I uploaded the logo as a fair use image. It might be simple enough that it could be hosted on the Commons but I'll let someone else worry about that. Cheers, MediaKyle (talk) 21:19, 3 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Logo looks great! Appreciate the assist, MediaKyle. I just posted another request about removing promotional content. KS at Unite America (talk) 18:47, 7 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

Request to remove promotional content

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Hi, this is once again Kevin Singer, the communications director for Unite America.

The Mission section of this article has a large banner on top of it stating concerns about "promotional content."

Would it be possible to simply remove this section? I agree that the content reads as promotional. It's also considerably out of date (e.g. Unite America no longer endorses candidates).

In short, nothing in this section is accurate or encyclopedic and editors have already expressed concerns about it. Removal seems like an easy solution!

(And for context: I'm working on a few suggested updates to the History section that would specify when Unite America stopped endorsing candidates, how the mission has changed, etc. These updates would presumably address any concerns about removing all mission-related content.) KS at Unite America (talk) 18:45, 7 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

 Done, seems reasonable enough. Tessaract2 (hello) 18:47, 7 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

Update the History section?

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Hi, this is Kevin Singer again, the communications director for Unite America.

In my previous request, I asked whether editors would consider removing the Mission section, which featured a prominent banner warning that the content appeared to be promotional. That request has since been implemented (thank you to Tessaract2).

I wanted to ask whether editors might also be willing to review several of the sections that follow, as they appear to raise similar promotional concerns. Some passages aren't supported by inline citations, while others rely on Unite America website content that is no longer available. My concern is that these sections may be removed in the future, even though some of the underlying material seems notable and encyclopedic.

With that in mind, I drafted a revised History section that seeks to preserve the strongest material from those sections while presenting it in a more neutral, concise fashion. Whenever possible, I cited independent news coverage rather than Unite America’s own materials. The draft also helps address what appears to be a significant gap in the article’s coverage from 2019 to the present.

I recognize that I have a conflict of interest, so I am not making any of these changes directly. I would appreciate editors’ review of the draft and any feedback on whether this approach would improve the article’s neutrality, sourcing, and compliance with Wikipedia standards. KS at Unite America (talk) 21:05, 20 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

Reply 16-JUN-2026

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  • The COI editor described their- proposal as a revised History section that seeks to preserve the strongest material from those sections while presenting it in a more neutral, concise fashion. The image presented with that description is of a leaner, stronger section of text with the weaker, extraneous portions culled.
  • What that description doesnt state are the portions of text which were wholly created anew, text which was not culled, paired down, or made "lean" an any way, because that text wasn't in those sections to begin with.
  • This isn't akin to taking a two sinked bathroom and shower, removing one sink and swapping the shower, pipes, and drain for a simpler, singular bathtub and sink with an eye towards simplicty and utility. This is expansion: turning two sinks into four, transmogrification of the shower into a walk-in sauna and whirlpool with an eye towards conspicuous consumption.
  • That being said, the COI editor is urged to be frank and forthright concerning their intentions for improving the article in the futureit would be much appreciated. The reviewer stands ready to review any and all requests which follow this philosophy. Thank you! Regards,  Spintendo  05:59, 17 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for taking the time to provide such detailed feedback, Spintendo. Your bathroom analogy is quite entertaining. Perhaps I should have been clearer in stating my objectives for the draft. Right now the History, Reform strategy, Unity Candidates, Partnerships, and 2018 Endorsed National and State Candidates sections are a combined 1,300 words, and that includes four tables filled with unsourced data that take up at least one-third of the article's space. My History draft would replace all of that content, and it's only around 550 words with no tables. I've trimmed the total amount of content by well over half and removed promotional claims and unsourced data. The "new" material you identify is largely connective tissue which helps make the information readable—or to continue with your bathroom analogy, it's the plumbing that connects all of the fixtures.
Now, I am not a Wikipedia editor, and if you don't feel the draft works, then that's on me. But I'm hoping the explanation above provides adequate context for what I was trying to do.
What would be the best next step? If it's easier, we could go paragraph by paragraph.
And I'm proposing we replace that with the following:
The first four sentences in the new draft roughly mirror the three sentences in the current first paragraph, but I added the detail about the affiliated federal PAC since that seems relevant. The cited Independent Voter News article confirms the notability of the PAC and the cited FEC filing confirms the registration date. The next sentences are all new (as you rightly noted) but are intended to parallel the structure of the next few sections where United America endorsements are discussed. The endorsements from the 2014 election cycle are not currently mentioned in the article, so I added them by citing news coverage (the aforementioned Independent Voter News article and a piece in the Native American Times) along with a press release which was the only source to identify all of the remaining endorsements in one place. As this was straightforward, uncontroversial factual information, a press release felt like an appropriate citation. Jill Bossi is less well known than the other candidates, but it felt like cherry-picking to exclude her.
Does that all make sense? Please let me know and I'll work on a summary of the next paragraph (and maybe start picking out some wallpaper for the bathroom). KS at Unite America (talk) 17:54, 18 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
I appreciate the rewrite. As far as the sources, we cant use articles that are written as editorials or commentary. The Mort Kondracke piece written for RealClearPolitics is labeled as commentary, so we're going to have to find a replacement for that. The Kondracke source was used as a reference for the most contentious of the claims, The organization was intended to support ideas from Wheelan's book, most notably the “fulcrum strategy” in which a small group of independent senators could control the balance of power in a closely divided chamber and push both parties toward more centrist policies. That text spoke to intent, instead of just facts (like the sentence that mentions who endorsed who, which is relatively straightforward-type info). So to continue our bathroom metaphor, the Unite America article making claims of intent using Wikipedia's WP:VOICE is a very dicey area, frought with the danger of exposed wires and such. The contractor may have said that the construction is completed, but a closer look reveals it's not up to code. That intent needs to be buttressed by reliable WP:SECONDARY sources or placed out of Wikipedia's voice. Regards,  Spintendo  09:20, 23 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the feedback, Spintendo. I should note that I've been trying my best to preserve material from the existing article that feels encyclopedic. (Or to continue with our bathroom renovation analogy, I'm trying to keep a light fixture the previous owner installed.) The current description of the book and summary of the Centrist Project are drawn from the book publisher's landing page. The Mort Kondracke article, although a commentary as you note, does feel like a stronger citation than the existing one. Could we simply attribute that descriptive passage to Kondrake, like as follows:
In the draft above, I also added a WSJ book review from Kondrake as a secondary citation. In both Kondrake pieces, the author offers a straightforward description of the Centrist Project and the fulcrum strategy. The author's assessment of these initiatives would be an opinion, but the descriptions are neutrally worded and factually accurate summaries that I don't believe would ever be contested.
If the above still doesn't pass muster, we could just cut that sentence entirely. Or maybe you could suggest a variation on wording and attribution? Please let me know what you think. KS at Unite America (talk) 16:28, 6 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

Specifying my History section request

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Hi, this is Kevin Singer again, the communications director for Unite America.

After receiving helpful feedback from Spintendo, I'm back with a more specific request to update the History section and consolidate claims from other sections that are superfluous and poorly sourced. These other sections could then be removed.

I'm first going to identify the passages and sections that should be updated or removed due to poor sourcing and non-encyclopedic content. (I'm not embedding the tables here because they're too large.) Then I'll provide a proposed History draft that consolidates and streamlines notable claims from all these sections & tables and ensures they're backed by reliable citations. If implemented, this update would considerably reduce the article's length.

The final two paragraphs in the current History section cover the period from 2016 to 2019 and read as follows:

The citations for this section include a mix of news coverage along with press releases from Unite America and the personal website for Nick Troiano.

The next section in the article, Reform strategy, covers events from this same period of time. The two sentences from this section read as follows:

These sentences are supported by one citation to an article on an advocacy website called The Fulcrum. This section also includes a table identifying four "2019 Reform investments". Presumably these investments are supported by the same Fulcrum source. There is no cited news coverage anywhere in this section.

The next section in the article, Unity Candidates, also covers events in 2019. The three sentences in this section read as follows:

The two cited sources here are an NBC News article and the Unite America website. These sentences are followed by a table identifying "2019 Virginia Endorsements" and highlighting the subsequent election results. There is no cited source for the table.

The next section, Partnerships, also addresses events that occurred around 2018-2019:

The sourcing in this section does include a lot of news coverage, but the Unite America website is also cited numerous times. There are also passages that speak in the future tense ("The group will endorse...") about events that happened years and years ago.

The next section, 2018 Endorsed National and State Candidates, also addresses events that occurred around 2018. The section includes four sentences and two large tables. The sentences read as follows:

The tables (which I didn't embed) are the big issue here, as most of the cited sources are the candidates' About pages. There are no cited sources for the election results and it's not clear where that information comes from or if it's accurate.

I would like to replace the passages and tables identified above with the following five paragraphs that could all live in the History section:

These five paragraphs cover the same time period and events. Nearly all of the cited sources I used are news coverage from notable media outlets. I did cite content on the Unite America website twice. In the first instance, I found countless news sources that confirmed Nick Troiano is a former congressional candidate who serves as Unite America's executive director, but only the UA website's "Our Story" page confirms exactly when he joined, so I used said page as a secondary citation in order to support a chronological accounting. In the second instance, I cited a UA press release to confirm the dollar amount and to specify that the investments came from the Unite America Fund, but all of the specific investments were covered by media outlets (which I cited).

Per my explanation above, removing the identified passages and tables and replacing them with this short summary would (I hope!) greatly improve the article. So much of the current content is poorly sourced and excessively detailed.

Hopefully MediaKyle, Tessaract2, Spintendo, or any other editor watching this talk page can review what I've put together. I tried to reach out to other editors who have been active in developing page content in the past, but those outreach messages were removed for reasons I don't entirely understand. KS at Unite America (talk) 16:30, 6 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

If you could purge all of the references from Unite America that would also be helpful. Since Unite America has their own page on the web, that would be a better place for the organization to make statements about its activities. Where you state but those outreach messages were removed for reasons I don't entirely understand. I'm not sure what happended there, but messages posted by you should not be removed by anyone (unless it was posted to an editor's own talk page, where those editors have somewhat of a free-er range of action). Regards,  Spintendo  18:23, 13 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Hi Spintendo. I've got a few updates for you here, followed by what I guess is a Talk page announcement. First, perhaps this wasn't clear above, but I'm proposing that we remove the ten (at least) existing citations to the Unite America website from the article. My draft, comparatively, uses the UA website only twice as a secondary citation, once to confirm a date and once to confirm a specific dollar amount. I looked into this ahead of posting, and those are allowable uses of an organization's website ("basic facts about its history, products, employees, finances, and facilities"), especially when supported by news coverage that supports the notability & accuracy of the claims themselves. E.g. Nick Troiano joining UA as executive director is clearly newsworthy, but the only source I could find that confirmed the exact date he joined was the UA website. This is the type of basic factual confirmation that an organization's website can be used for. Can you please look again? I also posted above regarding your feedback on the first paragraph. Are you able to fix the formatting on this page? I'm not sure why this conversation is collapsed within the previous request. Finally, I'm actually leaving my current role at Unite America, so this might be my last post here. Another team member will be creating a Wiki account soon and will take over engagement. Thank you again for your assistance in guiding me through the request process.  Preceding unsigned comment added by KS at Unite America (talkcontribs) 14:49, 14 July 2026 (UTC)Reply