Talk:Tyler James Robinson

Possible correction

At the part "was arrested shortly Kirk was shot in the neck at a rally at UVU on September 10, 2025", shouldn't it be 'was arrested shortly after Kirk was shot'? Plus he was arrested on September 12 2025 (if you're referring to when Kirk was shot, it was said earlier.) C0stiiiiiiin (talk) 16:42, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 18 September 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moot. The article is no longer live. The Requested moves process is not intended to move redirects. Following the merger that implemented the decision made in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tyler James Robinson, it would not be appropriate for this page to move away from its original name that is referenced from the target name's page history. If there is a desire to move the disambiguation page Tyler Robinson to Tyler Robinson (disambiguation) and create a new "Tyler Robinson" redirect, that would be a substantively new proposal that could only realistically be discussed in a separate RM started at the talk page of the disambiguation page. (non-admin closure) —Alalch E. 14:13, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

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Tyler James Robinson → Tyler Robinson – This is the main topic for the subject "Tyler Robinson". All the other names listed at the page Tyler Robinson redirect to other articles - IE they do not have their own page. 2A00:23C8:30B7:3501:A49E:DAB2:1A47:7374 (talk) 17:48, 18 September 2025 (UTC) — Relisting.  veko. (user | talk | contribs) he/him 16:49, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Support the disambiguation article has people who redirect to other articles shane (talk) 18:28, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support per above and WP:COMMONNAME. Freedoxm (talk · contribs) 18:29, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support as the only "Tyler Robinson" thus far that has a standalone article. The others; Tyler Robinson (American football), Tyler Robinson (Canadian football), and Tyler Robinson (singer), are all redirects due to being non-notable individuals. CNC (talk) 18:48, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

  Don't rename! 2600:1700:9666:3000:A58F:143B:4BB:BD9A (talk) 21:56, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

  Did you mean: Oppose? Beluga732 (talk | contribs) 00:52, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Support - Middle name rarely in articles unless apart of identity, for example Jerry Lee Lewis, however "Tyler Robinson" is enough in this case, middle name isn't needed. Stadt67 (talk) 21:19, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support as the primary topic and per commonname. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:34, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support per nom and WP:COMMONNAME. ItsMario97 (talk) 00:49, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Support per above and WP:COMMONNAME. TimeToFixThis | 🕒 01:08, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support per nom and WP:COMMONNAME. Rochambeau1783 (talk) 02:37, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support per above; under the condition that there is something added to the end, like "(Suspect)" because there are multiple Tyler Robinsons (see disambiguation). Since it's all redirects, just change it to "Tyler Robinson" to this point. HwyNerd Mike (tokk | contribs) 03:31, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Support The full name isn't needed, and the subject is easily identifiable. Rager7 (talk) 17:30, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Support: We don't need the full name. Also, WP:COMMONNAME. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 17:31, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Support per other user's views but this nomination should also have included Tyler Robinson → Tyler Robinson (disambiguation)Tyler Robinson (disambiguation). Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 17:59, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Support - none of the other Tyler Robinson on that disambiguation page are as notable as this one CyberAlexMM (talk) 18:24, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support: per above and he became notable than other entries in Tyler Robinson (disambiguation).

QalasQalas (talk) 19:45, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Support per above and WP:COMMONNAME Owellorthanothy (talk) 01:39, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

Support per above as it is the WP:COMMONNAME and the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Cacophonic peace (talk) 04:17, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

Support per above, also move to Tyler Robinson (disambiguation). Absolutiva 13:14, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support per Absolutiva. ~Rafael (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 14:15, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support per above and WP:COMMONNAME 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 (need something? Ping me!) 16:43, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support per above and most common name "Tyler Robinson". QwertyZ34 (talk) 21:18, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Support - per most news coverage.Inayity (talk) 09:46, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support as above. Metallurgist (talk) 17:32, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support per above. Xoontor (talk) 18:52, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Question do I close this close discussion as per the snowball clause? shane (talk) 00:36, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

If this were a RfC or redirect vote, you could. But you can't close this and perform the move so it'd be better to ask at WP:VPT. guninvalid (talk) 03:09, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

cant non-admin closers close discussions? shane (talk) 12:06, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Yes per WP:RMNAC. CNC (talk) 12:18, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Clear WP:SNOW, I've been tempted by an involved close as at this point it is procedural and surprised no page mover or admin has closed this yet. Any experienced editor can close and send to WP:RMTR though or ping me to move. CNC (talk) 08:27, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Support - per all Support votes, many sources just avoid the middle name. Beluga732 (talk | contribs) 14:48, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

• I have some pretty serious WP:BLP concerns in removing the middle name. The reason the middle name is almost always included in high profile criminal cases is to ensure that other people with the same name aren't confused for the accused. Esolo5002 (talk) 17:48, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose the move proposal for the same reason. If Wikipedia doesn't have a 3-name policy for people who allegedly did massive crimes, it should. See e.g. this Slate piece. Anonymous-232 (talk) 06:56, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Support - Per everything else said, many reports do not mention his middle name and there are no other notable Tyler Robinson who have their own article Jaquavious watterson (talk) 18:37, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Tyler Robinson's full name should remain displayed as is. Doing so maintains the distinction between the person who assassinated CK, and the other Tyler Robinson pages that exist. This way there is no confusion and makes locating information about this person and event simplified and more user friendly. 2601:C2:180:34E0:D5DA:ED9E:3FF1:5AD0 (talk) 15:13, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Strongly discourage WP:SNOWBALL close. I'm not going to take a position either way on this RM, but given there is an active AfD ongoing, I would discourage moving the page at this time so as to not confuse new participants in that AfD. But I think this could be SNOWBALL closed after the AfD concludes since it looks like a consensus is forming against merging, as much as I hate to admit. guninvalid (talk) 18:26, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

at this point it seems like there is more keeps than deletes and merges (69) shane (talk) 18:35, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

An AfD of a moved page redirect is distinct from an AfD of a page. So it will unfortunately probably be closed as keep, but I do think that this RM should not be closed before the AfD. guninvalid (talk) 18:46, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

Relisting comment: As discussed, relisting until AfD has closed. veko. (user | talk | contribs) he/him 16:49, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

What part of WP:RMRELIST or WP:RMCIDC advises re-listing when there is consensus? Relisting has removed it from the backlog, but doesn't discourage anyone from closing. CNC (talk) 20:10, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose. I only am opposing this so there is something more to distinguish this specific Tyler Robinson from the other Tyler Robinson's. If we want to do something different other than Tyler James Robinson then I am all for it.

I think it would be particularly sad for the Tyler Robinson foundation which celebrates the life of a young boy with cancer, and helps kids with cancer would even mistakenly be associated with murder. Historyguy1138 (talk) 16:52, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Tyler Robinson Disambiguation Historyguy1138 (talk) 17:40, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Alternate proposal Rename to Tyler J. Robinson (accused murderer) shane (talk) 16:57, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

I would be totally fine with that. Or accused assassin or shooter. I don't care take your pick. (: Historyguy1138 (talk) 17:38, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Unnecessary disambiguation of Tyler J. Robinson though. CNC (talk) 17:42, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

How so friend? There are already several articles on a Tyler Robinson.

If it was Tyler J. Robinson, Tyler James Robinson, Tyler Robinson (suspected Killer/murderer/assassin/shooter [again take your pick I don't care]) that would be better. Anything but Tyler Robinson by itself so that their is a disambiguation between the other Tyler Robinsons. Historyguy1138 (talk) 18:50, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

The arguments in this discussion are based on the policy common name and that of the guideline primary topic. I don't understand the argument for unnecessary disambiguation based on policy or guidelines, as it simply isn't recommended when a topic is primary, and linking to the disambiguation page is what hatnates are for to avoid any confusion or navigation issues. CNC (talk) 19:59, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Warning: An editor has nominated this article for deletion (see WP:AFD), shortly after a move was requested. The page is likely to be renamed before the deletion discussion is closed. Beluga732 (talk | contribs) 19:51, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

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Politics massively unconfirmed

I do not know why the politics section of this guy's article is even up yet. I'm pretty sure multiple sources have confirmed that he had no roommates, and was living alone.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-09-12/what-we-know-about-the-suspected-killer-of-charlie-kirk

https://www.npr.org/2025/09/13/nx-s1-5540130/utah-residents-are-reeling-knowing-the-charlie-kirk-suspect-is-one-of-their-own CallMeKris06 (talk) 18:03, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

His own parents confirmed he was living with a roommate who was also his partner. 2601:447:C17F:33C0:652D:444D:DF0D:DAD0 (talk) 03:12, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

I doubt, as Republicans, that his parents were very aware or interconnected with Tyler's life, since deep internet culture is likely not something they're familiar with. I don't think their biases towards Charlie Kirk can be dismissed in evaluating whether or not what they said is true. Arzatium (talk) 10:07, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

What? I don't even know how to respond to this. His parents aren't aware of his life "because" they are Republicans? --Onorem (talk) 18:56, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

I don't know either, and especially why they only present evidence for him being left-wing. Much evidence of his antics would suggest otherwise (i. e. the case engraving with the song from the Groyper Wars playlist and the photo of him dressing up as a "mascot" of some sort associated with Groypers), which would be consistent with the fact that Groypers were very critical of Charlie Kirk for not being far-right enough. Whether he had a roommate, I'm not sure, but if she exists I doubt the notion that she's transgender, as few credible sources have been seen to fully claim it. Arzatium (talk) 10:04, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

The charging document rebuts every point of your claim. His boyfriend/roommate was transgender. He had become more LGBT and trans-rights focused over the last year.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/09/16/us/tyler-robinson-charges.html 99.153.233.131 (talk) 18:52, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

Yeah because if there's one thing groypers are known for it's being angry at Charlie Kirk for not being far-right enough right before calling him a fascist. Guraburunaku (talk) 00:12, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Merge to Assassination of Charlie Kirk?

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Is it necessary to have a separate article? Should this article be redirected to Assassination of Charlie Kirk? cagliost (talk) 18:33, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Considering the amount of time has passed since Charlie's death, and the amount of generally reliable sources, probably Weak Oppose as WP:BLPCRIME still applies to criminals who havent been charged. shane (talk) 18:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion

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I have just listed this article for deletion. Please see WP:Articles for deletion/Tyler James Robinson. guninvalid (talk) 18:45, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia can have articles for whomever 47.161.198.115 (talk) 13:56, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

No, they can't. Babysharkb☩ss2 ^(DEADMAU5) 14:30, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

This individual is definitely notable. Deletion would be premature, let the article develop as more comes to light about their life and background, etc. 172.56.13.241 (talk) 08:04, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

I say only delete it should he be found innocent. Deleting it prematurely would only hinder information gathering in real time. If he is found guilty, an article is only inevitable. AlecSurvives (talk) 21:49, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

I agree with your statement. The article is inevitable unless he is found innocent. Shadowfax33 (talk) 13:38, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Why would it be inevitable? He's only notable for allegedly committing the Assassination of Charlie Kirk, and we already have an article about that. satkara❈talk 16:02, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

This person is very, very notable and a full article would be better than simply a section on the "assassination of charlie kirk" page. That way, it can be found in google searches and it's much cleaner.

Should Tyler be found innocent, then deleting the article is probably the best course, but if he's found guilty then this article is inevitably going to be created again. Everythingwii (talk) 12:04, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Keep the article for now, this man is absolutely a notable person as he is being accused of killing one of the most notorious figures in American right wing politics, if he is found innocent then delete Jaquavious watterson (talk) 18:21, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Oops, you suggested that this article may need to be redirected or merged instead of permanently deleted. Beluga732 (talk | contribs) 18:45, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

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Politics inclusion

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In his personal politics section, we should include that he was raised Republican and came from a Republican/far-right household. Also, evidence left at the scene confirms his identification with the far-right political cell, the "Groypers". AcademicallyPerfect (talk) 19:16, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

First I’m hearing of this. Where did you hear about that? I knew Charlie Kirk and the Groypers were “at war” for a long time, but if TJR is affiliated with the Groypers while dating a trans woman, wouldn’t that make him politically conflicted? Unknown0124 (talk) 23:49, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

You are not being sincere and I suspect you might sympathize with the groyper movement. AcademicallyPerfect (talk) 07:12, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

WP:NPA WP:ASPERSIONS Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:45, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

No, I don't sympathize with the Groypers let alone any white supremacist movement. I am asking where you got the info about TJR being affiliated with the Groypers, because if what you are saying is true, we need to have a source for that information. Unknown0124 (talk) 14:09, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Unknown0124 This was a mostly online hypothesis that has been published in several online publications, while others have published refutations . None of this theory appears in the official investigations and evidence, which have been saying quite the opposite. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:22, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Having looked through the available info and evidence, I was surprised to hear about this, which is why I asked for a source. Not too surprised to hear that it's nothing more than a theory, as (of course) the evidence contradicts this. Unknown0124 (talk) 15:38, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

"Notices bulge..." - 4chan meme.

"If you see this..." - 4chan meme.

"Hey Fascist..." - Helldivers 2 reference - a game popular with neonazis.

"Bella Ciao..." - Hearts of Iron 4 reference - another game popular with neonazis.

Dating trans woman - femboy obsession in groyper circles.

Nick Fuentes on record calling for the shooting of Charlie Kirk for being a zionist.

Conspiracy theories spreading on alt media trying to link Erika Kirk to human trafficking immediately after the memorial.

Maga Fascists' well documented strategy of hiding behind incredulity to claim plausible deniability and blame the left for their own actions.

I say at this point it takes Olympic levels of reality denial to claim he was anything other than a groyper. 46.97.170.26 (talk) 07:31, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

This is all conjecture, all of it rather weak. Do you have any actual sources? — Czello ^(music) 07:38, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Considering that in the past two weeks, every major media outlet has been bending over backwards to appease trump and tried to insist on this not being politically motivated in a misguided attempt to cool the tensions - no, unfortunately. But pretty much everyone outside of MAGA circles talks about it as self-evident, and many cultural commentators and video essayists have drawn parallels between this even and the Assassination of George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi Party, at the hands of another Nazi. 46.97.170.26 (talk) 09:21, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Again, more conjecture and speculation. If you want something adding to the article that he is a Groyper (something that appears to be Blueanon conspiracy theories) then you're going to need good sources that say this. — Czello ^(music) 09:42, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

It would not. Dating a trans woman is perfectly in line with the groypers' "femboy" obsession. This is an open secret among the MAGA crowd who only now started to pretend no to know anything about it. 46.97.170.26 (talk) 07:24, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

He was not a Groyper. Shadowfax33 (talk) 13:36, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

It is becoming increasingly clear that he was in fact left-wing. His conservative (not far-right) family is already mentioned. — Czello ^(music) 13:39, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Your right he is left-wing. Shadowfax33 (talk) 13:47, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

At this point, with the sources we have so far, we clearly should not characterize him as right-wing or Groyper. But it is also premature to describe him simply as left-wing. He appears to have some combination of sympathy for his trans partner, rebellion against his conservative family, and a more generalized apolitical preoccupation with online culture and notoriety. We should not get ahead of ourselves in oversimplifying things. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:42, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

• Closing and hatting a discussion that has long since ceased to be productive. If you wish to continue this discussion, you may start a new topic, but please bring sources this time. guninvalid (talk) 09:42, 22 September 2025

Add mugshot photo

For his wiki add his mugshot photo 2603:8080:7DF0:9D00:A568:C3D7:6555:33 (talk) 23:00, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, for that, someone has to first upload the image to Wikimedia Commons. If not, then there's no available image to use, so let's wait for someone to upload a photo or see if this article gets deleted or not. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 23:03, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Image

(BLP violation removed) (link to File:FBI released image of a person of interest sought in connection with the killing of Charlie Kirkwebp.webp)

This image was taken by the FBI, a federal agency. It is under public domain, so maybe potentially add it as an image in the infobox? HwyNerd Mike (tokk | contribs) 05:36, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

Its a matter for the courts to determine if that is Robinson. WWGB (talk) 05:53, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

Not even a single peep from law enforcement? Trade (talk) 14:26, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 September 2025

File:Tyler Robinson Mugshot.jpg Add the mugshot Yusuf Michael (talk) 05:51, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

@Yusuf Michael Hi! Did you get it from the FBI? Just to make sure. HwyNerd Mike (tokk | contribs) 05:53, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

Yes Yusuf Michael (talk) 05:54, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

 Done HwyNerd Mike (tokk | contribs) 05:56, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

Oh and btw, can you send me the link where you found it? HwyNerd Mike (tokk | contribs) 05:57, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

yeahh lemme get it hold up Yusuf Michael (talk) 06:02, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/fbi-releases-mugshots-of-charlie-kirks-murder-suspect-tyler-robinson-9266783 Yusuf Michael (talk) 06:03, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure if we can use that image... The problem is whether or not the image is WP:PD, since it's a news agency but the agency also credited a federal agency. Maybe ask WP:Teahouse. HwyNerd Mike (tokk | contribs) 06:12, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

Do you thind PD images suddenly become copyrighted just because the news use them? Trade (talk) 13:32, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: Marking this not done. Image appears to belong to Utah Dept of Public Safety. Image is now nominated for deletion. Good faith request, but can't use. Request again if new information should come to light. Nubzor [T][C] 15:09, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/suspected-gunman-robinson-wrote-note-threatening-kirk-tied-scene-by-dna-fbi-2025-09-15/ Yusuf Michael (talk) 17:52, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

Hmm… If you can find that image on the official FBI, the image should be public domain. Otherwise, I don’t think so. HwyNerd Mike (tokk | contribs) 17:54, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

Link explicitly states that the photo was released and (implied) created by the Utah Department of Public Safety. How does finding the photo on the FBI's website change anything?--Trade (talk) 18:00, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

I meant that if it is (licensed under) FBI’s. Sorry for not clarifying. HwyNerd Mike (tokk | contribs) 18:03, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

The FBI doesn't license. They just use the photos they need

There's plenty of time where they have used photos from people's Facebook profile as well Trade (talk) 20:49, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

I really wanna swear at FBI...

Where are we gonna find images if that's the case? What specific government websites can we get the images? HwyNerd Mike (tokk | contribs) 21:08, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

There's plenty of Wikipedians living in Utah. You'll have more luck reaching out to them Trade (talk) 22:08, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

You could try and reach out to his public defender or family and ask for a better photo that isn't a mugshot Trade (talk) 02:14, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

 Done; reuploaded image under fair use, now I think it's good. HwyNerd Mike (tokk | contribs) 04:32, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

TBH, I don't know if this meets non-free requirement at this point. He's not Lucy Letby. Don't be surprised if it's nominated for deletion. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:24, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

What do this woman have that he dont? Trade (talk) 04:55, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

I think he meant that she is formally charged, but not Robinson. We'll see what happens. HwyNerd Mike (tokk | contribs) 15:55, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

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"Kirk shooter" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Kirk shooter has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 September 25 § Kirk shooter until a consensus is reached. CNC (talk) 23:59, 25 September 2025 (UTC)