Talk:Turkish coffee

Place of origin: The coffee is recognised by the unesco organisation as being in turkey

I am aware that this website is swimming with people who have strong biases however the coffee is recognised by the unesco foundation as being from turkey. Furthermore just because someone makes a baseless claim that a certain something is from somewhere it does not make it necessarily disputed 148.252.140.116 (talk) 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

So you claiming ALL coffee like the one made in Turkey nowadays should be considered 'Turkish' is not to be disputed, is that it? Hypocritical and arrogant, then. I for one will not claim this type of coffee does NOT originate from at least TurkIC areas, but I at least respect local traditions and highly recommend anyone to do the same. And yes, that even includes the potential of what has now commonly come to be referred as 'Turkish' possibly actually stemming from an entirely different place. Cultural appropriation is NOT only a modern phenomenon. So yes: disputed. Very much so. ~2025-40953-21 (talk) 00:02, 16 December 2025 (UTC)

Bibliothèque typo

Please change Bibliothéque to Bibliothèque (note the erroneous accent). Thanks, ~2026-47895-6 (talk) 17:56, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

 Done. Nice catch. FMRadio :3_{(chat | edits | she/her)} 18:54, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

Why did you undo my edit

Ttocserp , in your edit summary you wrote that “relevant information was suppressed without explanation.” Could you clarify what information you believe was suppressed--CoffeeKings (talk) 08:37, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

Turkish Coffee Culture

I am curious about the history of the UNESCO inscription. I know that "Turkish coffee culture and tradition" was inscribed on UNESCO's Representative List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity in 2013.

Does anyone know whether there was a particular reason or process that led to the nomination at that time? If there are reliable sources discussing the background to the 2013 inscription, I would be interested in reading them. Nightowlblues (talk) 16:50, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

Turkish Coffee and Greek Coffee Traditions

I am interested in the historical relationship between Turkish coffee and Greek coffee. The two traditions appear to share the same basic preparation method, while the names and cultural associations significantly differ in each country.

Are there reliable historical or scholarly sources that discuss how this coffee tradition developed in both Turkey and Greece, including how terminology changed over time? I don't think it's solely due to political reasons but then again I am not sure. I just find this interpretation rather simplistic. It would be interesting to understand how cultural historians describe the relationship between these two traditions.

Just to clarify that I have visited both countries and it would be an oversimplification to state that one country has "copied" the other. The situation is far more nuanced as the differences outweigh the similarities.

Nightowlblues (talk) 17:01, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

I think we have pretty good coverage of this topic. What exactly are you suggesting needs improvement? Remember, Talk pages are not discussion forums, but places to improve the articles.

I don't believe that the article claims that Turkish coffee was copied or borrowed. After all, it is part of the common cultural heritage of the Ottoman Empire.

As for the name, Turkish coffee#Greece clearly discusses the change of the name in Greece (with good sources) for political reasons, reinforced by a commercial advertising campaign. I don't see how that is "simplistic" -- other items have also had their names changed to avoid Turkish associations, e.g., döner became gyros. If you can find additional reliable sources that expand on this topic, great.

Since you have visited both countries, you will have noticed that tea is much more common in Turkey than in Greece. This is because coffee became expensive, and domestic tea cultivation was encouraged.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the differences outweigh the similarities". Again, if you have good reliable sources discussing this, please add them. --Macrakis (talk) 19:46, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for your swift reply. Most appreciated. "Good" coverage always allows room for improvement and further development. As for this page, we all have the legitimate and democratic right to provide feedback and further food (or "coffee") for thought. I'm just saying that the cultural and often gastronomical interaction between Greece and Turkey is arguably more nuanced and intricate. I will, however, politely disagree with you about tea drinking in Greece. If we dismiss and dispense with the "touristy" places (referring to both countries), tea is also very common in Greece albeit not always in the form of hot beverages but more in terms of herbs-often medicinal or quasi-medicinal. Notable examples are chamomile, lemon verbena, sage, thistle-there is a massive variety depending whether you're in mainland Greece or the islands. Needless to mention that each island and areas of the mainland have their own varieties depending on altitude or close to the sea, etc. In terms of reliable sources, I could recommend a few but I do not want to edit your page as I am new to this platform and I would find it rude to alter your hard work. Yet, I would recommend the Journal of Mediterranean Studies ("Coffeehouses, Cosmopolitanism, and Pluralizing Modernities in Istanbul"); you can find it through JSTOR or Project Muse. Here are some others I have read so far:

• Coffee: A Global History (2018): A modern overview of coffee's global history. Useful as a synthesis, but not essential if you already have Hattox, Hathaway, Faroqhi, and Kafadar.
• Subjects of the Sultan: Culture and Daily Life in the Ottoman Empire: You have Faroqhi's 1986 journal article, but not this later book. The book provides broader context on everyday life in the Ottoman Empire, including coffeehouses.
• The Foods of Greece: A culinary history rather than an academic history monograph. It's useful for the Greek perspective on food traditions, including coffee.
• The Age of Sinan: Architectural Culture in the Ottoman Empire: This is primarily about Ottoman architecture and urban culture. It offers contextual discussion of coffeehouses but isn't a core source on coffee.
• Culinary Cultures of Europe: Identity, Diversity and Dialogue: A collection of essays on European food cultures. It discusses shared culinary traditions, but it isn't a specialized work on coffee but more of cultural history analysis.

If you would like further clarifications, let me know. I'll just specify that your article is interesting and that is why I took some time from my very busy and hectic schedule to look into it. Thanks again for your contributions and peace. Nightowlblues (talk) 22:38, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the bibliography.

I think you are misunderstanding how Wikipedia works. This is not "my" page. In fact, I've contributed very little to it.

Of course the article isn't perfect, and we're happy to have your feedback. That said, the primary way to improve an article on Wikipedia is to edit it, not to comment on it in Talk.

As for herb tea in Greece, yes, I'm very aware of it. But that's mostly consumed at home, and not usually served as part of entertaining visitors; nor is it commonly served in καφενείο/kahvehane/кафана, so that is quite different from Turkey (as I'm sure you know), where black tea served in glasses is the most common coffeehouse beverage.

Re "I would find it rude to alter your hard work", that's not the way we think of it. All contributors are welcome -- everyone can be an editor. Naturally, you should read up a bit about Wikipedia norms -- I have posted some welcome information on your user talk page.

The article by İlay Örs is interesting because it discusses not primarily "traditional" village kafeneia (scare quotes definitely intentional! -- see my essay Original, authentic, and traditional), but instead focuses on the cosmopolitan pâtisserie-cafés of İstanbul and Athens, which I'm pretty familiar with.

Your recommended reading list is nice, but as I say, the way to improve the article is to edit it. When you cite those works, you'll need to cite specific pages.

I look forward to seeing your contributions! --Macrakis (talk) 18:24, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello again and many thanks for your feedback. Presumably, you may have noticed that I am a bit of a novice on this platform and I am still looking into Wikipedia policies before making any further contributions regarding editing. The whole corpus is taking a bit longer to "digest" as it is rather counter-intuitive at times. But I'll get there at some point.

As for Nur Yalman, I did not know about his death. This is a loss within academia, needless to mention of-course to his dear family and friends. Nightowlblues (talk) 20:16, 12 July 2026 (UTC)

PS Did you see that Nur Yalman died last month?

There is definitely a specific style to Wikipedia work. Unlike academic writing, you have to avoid taking a position, for example (that's what we call original research). Unlike journalistic writing, you need to support your assertions with reputable citations (we call those reliable sources). etc. Let me know if I can help if you start getting lost in the policies. You certainly don't need to master them all before getting started. And don't be offended or annoyed if someone changes or removes something you wrote; in fact, that's a good way of learning how things are done. --Macrakis (talk) 22:01, 12 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. I will definitely let you know in due course. Nightowlblues (talk) 02:42, 15 July 2026 (UTC)