Talk:Songkok

earlier comment

the white peci (which is worn by haji) is not Indonesian cap. it is from arab, and they have different designs, usages, and compositions. compare these pics:
File:Fotopresdn.jpg and File:Abu Bakar Bashir.jpg

Peace. --Nielswik_(talk) 13:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• This article should not be limited only to Malaysian article stub, it is a South East Asian attire by heritage, and should not be limited only to Malaysia. Beware. Ennio morricone (talk) 04:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

The article has Malaysian slant, but I think it is clearly described that songkok/peci is South East Asian. The Malaysian stub mark can be removed when the article is expanded enough. Gombang (talk) 06:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

History

This article needs better historical sources. The fez was only adopted by the Ottomans in the 1820's, so the newspaper article claiming it is the origin of the songkok and also that the songkok has been around since the 13th century is contradictory. --Macrakis (talk) 18:02, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

The newspaper article is incorrect and I wouldn't even consider it a reliable source. The songkok is obviously not that old and wasn't even common until the 20th century. Morinae (talk) 12:11, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

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songkok and kopiah

Shouldn't the songkok and kopiah be classified as distinct types of headwear? Their shapes and manufacturing methods alone set them apart. Furthermore, Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka, which is the official authority on the Malay language in Malaysia, provides separate definitions for each. The songkok is characterized by its rigid structure and is typically black, whereas the kopiah is soft and usually white. Additionally, the Malay community universally recognizes them as entirely separate items. Akramgl1479 (talk) 09:23, 30 August 2026 (UTC)