Talk:Sarah Boysen

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sarah boysen

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How you guys dont tell everything about her Jaivion1515 (talk) 23:28, 23 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

main claims section?

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1. Symbolic thought not exclusive to humans: from numerical competence.

1a. Numerical Competence: chimpanzees could learn to

resolve quantity-based tasks
use Arabic numerals to represent quantities
solve basic mathematical problems using basic concepts.
perform symbolic matching ,

1b. Self control

inhibiting initial impulses for better outcome

2. Cognitive evolutionary continuity - Leading primitive stages for complex cognitive traits and capabilities. Studies with dogs, pigs, Capuchin monkeys

Social learning
Tool use
Quantitative reasoning

Countering the claims

Daniel Povinelli in Folk Physics of Apes, claims the animals are just relying on behavioral rules,not "understanding" the underlying "cause and effect". i.e. pressing 3 just means symbol with no meaning is associated a pattern which gives a reword. Thinking that the animal "understands" is a mistake.

Edward Thorndike in Law of Effect, claims that all learning, including animal and human learning is trial-and-error and reinforcement associative training, rather than insight or reasoning. Thus the question of reasoning and insight is not to be discussed.

John W Davis and S.R Memmot set narrow and strict definitions of language and counting intentionally excluding non-human performance. They claim the lab experiments are anthropomorphism, imposing non natural concerns and tasks which the animals do not possess, and then forcing onto them unfit terms.

Help me update and enter into main argal

פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 09:30, 6 July 2026 (UTC)Reply