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Possible addition to the 'Film' subject + addition of a Theatre subject

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I was wondering, would it be possible to add that the film 'The Prince of Egypt' depicts Moses and the Egyptian Pharaoh as Rameses? It's just so as to make clear that the film is merely an adaptation with artistic license. Also, a musical theatre adaptation of 'The Prince of Egypt' was released in London in 2020, on the West End. Could someone add in that subject, to contribute to the depictions of Moses in popular culture? Thanks! Two Red Engines

The Etymology

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While the Wikipedia page gives the Egyptian version of Yehuda's etymology as "mw-zꜣ", this is actually a neat piece of original scholarship. Yehuda and Ulmer (the source) actually propose "mw-š". This section should be revised beyond this issue, but nevertheless it is inappropriate to allow such a misattribution to stand.

To much emphasis on the United States?

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Moses is a figure in all Abrahamic faiths yet a large portion of the article is about topics only relevant to how Moses is relevant to the USA. Fridgeboyo (talk) 23:53, 3 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

Youre going to have to be more specific. Most of the article is not at all about the United States.—Ermenrich (talk) 14:51, 4 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
But most of the cultural legacy stuff is. Johnbod (talk) 15:49, 4 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
It might be reasonable to rename the section ‘Legacy in politics and law’ to ‘Legacy in US politics and law’ Mikewem (talk) 18:31, 4 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
Seems so. Also: the section on US government buildings in the Arts section is probably overly long.--Ermenrich (talk) 20:22, 4 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
Doesn't seem long at all, and is full of focused related information. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:32, 4 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

The timeline of history…

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What year do scholars think Noah happened? That story is written about in almost every religion on this planet.. slightly different because it came before printed or recorded words…. I know there is genealogical records after Noah… if true, he predates Mohammed for damn sure, Jesus, Kind David, King Solomon…. And I think Father Abraham…. That the majority of the world came from… ~2026-46990-88 (talk) 04:37, 28 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

Whiile neither Noah or Abraham are historical figures, the Book of Genesis depicts Abraham as one of Noah's descendants. To simplify the genealogy as much as possible: Abraham was a son of Terah, Terah was a son of Nahor, Nahor was a son of Serug, Serug was a son of Reu, Reu was a son of Peleg, Peleg was a son of Eber, Eber was a son of Selah, Selah was a son of Arpachshad or Cainan (depending on different surviving versions of the Genesis), Cainan was a son of Arpachshad, Arpachshad was a son of Shem, Shem was a son of Noah. Dimadick (talk) 05:33, 28 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

Possible editing of a sentence

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After reading the sources, it seems to me that we should clarify the sentence "The majority of scholars see the biblical Moses as a legendary figure, while retaining the possibility that Moses or a Moses-like figure existed in the 13th century BCE.[1][2][3][4][5]". What the sources indicate would be better expressed by a sentence such as " Most scholars retain the possibility that Moses or a Moses-like figure existed in the 13th century BCE, but see the actions attributed to him and his story as legendary." Please lmk if you agree. CathEsther (talk) 02:31, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

I think that the proposed new wording is reasonable. Ramos1990 (talk) 07:32, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
thank you CathEsther (talk) 00:32, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I believe the current phrasing correctly emphasises and establishes the primary critical perspectives per Dever, while the proposal inverts the clauses unnecessarily. The "legendary" should not be a qualifier, while the possibility of a historical kernel should be though as not all scholars even retain that like Van Seters. Ancient Greek Scribe (talk) 08:20, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
than you, I understand. I agree to let the sentence as it is then. CathEsther (talk) 00:33, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ↑ Nigosian, S. A. (1993). "Moses as They Saw Him". Vetus Testamentum. 43 (3): 339–350. doi:10.1163/156853393X00160. ISSN 0042-4935. Three views, based on source analysis or historical-critical method, seem to prevail among biblical scholars. First, a number of scholars, such as Meyer and Holscher, aim to deprive Moses all the prerogatives attributed to him by denying anything historical value about his person or the role he played in Israelite religion. Second, other scholars [...] diametrically oppose the first view and strive to anchor Moses the decisive role he played in Israelite religion in a firm setting. And third, those who take the middle position [...] delineate the solidly historical identification of Moses from the superstructure of later legendary accretions. [...] Needless to say, these issues are hotly debated unresolved matters among scholars. Thus, the attempt to separate the historical from unhistorical elements in the Torah has yielded few, if any, positive results regarding the figure of Moses or the role he played on Israelite religion. No wonder J. Van Seters concluded that "the quest for the historical Moses is a futile exercise. He now belongs only to legend"
  2. ↑ Dever, William G. (2001). What Did the Biblical Writers Know and When Did They Know It?: What Archeology Can Tell Us About the Reality of Ancient Israel. Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing. p. 99. ISBN 978-0-8028-2126-3. A Moses-like figure may have existed somewhere in southern Transjordan in the mid-late 13th century s.c., where many scholars think the biblical traditions concerning the god Yahweh arose.
  3. ↑ Beegle, Dewey (July 5, 2023). "Moses". Encyclopædia Britannica.
  4. ↑ "Moses". Oxford Biblical Studies Online.
  5. ↑ Miller II, Robert D. (November 25, 2013). Illuminating Moses: A History of Reception from Exodus to the Renaissance. Brill. pp. 21, 24. ISBN 978-90-04-25854-9. Van Seters concluded, 'The quest for the historical Moses is a futile exercise. He now belongs only to legend.' [...] "None of this means that there is not a historical Moses and that the tales do not include historical information. But in the Pentateuch, history has become memorial. Memorial revises history, reifies memory, and makes myth out of history.