Talk:Maher Abbas

Did you know nomination

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The result was: rejected, closed by Flibirigit talk 03:33, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

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[[File:|140px|Abbas at the Olympics]]

Abbas at the Olympics

• ... that future Olympic runner Maher Abbas (pictured) switched from basketball to track over frustration of referees being "easy to bribe"?

• Source: Atlanta Journal

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abortion in South Sudan (2/2)
  • Comment: To do QPQ within a day or two. The expansion appears to only be about ~4.7 rather than 5.0 -- maybe we could IAR? I don't think there's much more to add.

5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 400 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:55, 4 August 2025 (UTC).

• @BeanieFan11: Not a review, but WP:GARC is that-a-way.--Launchballer 18:02, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11: I think, given how constipated we are, 4.7 isn't really IARable. Please send this through GA.--Launchballer 16:50, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

I mean, I could probably try to add some fluff today or tomorrow to get it to 5.0 if really necessary. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:57, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

You could do, but you then run the risk of a subsequent copyedit taking it under again. (I know me and Airship copyedit articles before promoting; you might get someone different.) GARC will get this eligible in less than two months.--Launchballer 11:25, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

@Launchballer: I expanded it so its over 5.0 now, although only by a little. I'm not entirely sure its GA-quality, but I could nominate it if you think I should do it. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:31, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

I'll let a reviewer/promoter adjudicate.--Launchballer 11:11, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

Articles do not need to be GA-quality to be featured on DYK, even if they are a 5x expansion. The article looks good enough and can probably be run as is, assuming there are no more copyedits to be done. You could nominate it for GA status, although given that process's backlog, waiting would likely lead to this nomination timing out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:38, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

• Full review needed; per DYKcheck article is 5x expanded since July 27, and nominating eight days after expansion began is perfectly legal per DYK rules. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:16, 9 September 2025 (UTC)
• The article was created in 2016 and received a 5x expansion 7-8 days before the nomination. The article is largely free from close paraphrasing, but the problem is that some parts appear to be very close to this link. That will need to be addressed before this can be reviewed further, although as Launchballer said, that might bring the article to below a 5x expansion, so keep that in mind. A QPQ has been performed and it is a complete one. The hook is cited inline and interesting, although the Newspapers.com link doesn't actually mention that exact quote, so an excerpt may be needed here. Technically, the hook is not DYKHFC compliant, but I will accept it as is because the entire quote is referenced to a single source.

The elephant in the room is that I actually think that him becoming an accomplished doctor after his running career is the more interesting hook fact here. I know that some DYK editors are not fans of "person A, who was a B, was later a C" hooks, but in this case it actually is unusual and interesting. I would suggest proposing that as an ALT, although the nomination's fate depends on the close paraphrasing being resolved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:30, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

• • @Narutolovehinata5: I'm not sure how much the text sourced to that can be reworded – most of it is all long medical titles such as "founding chair of robotic and minimally invasive surgery of Kaiser Permanente" and "regional chief of colon and rectal surgery for the Southern California Permanente Medical Group". Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:38, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11: While technically it could fall under WP:LIMITED, the wordings are so close to each other that it would still raise eyebrows. I could pass it, but I don't think other editors would be happy about it. There could be a way to simplify or even remove those titles. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:53, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Do you have any ideas on ways to simplify the titles? A lot of it is just names of the universities and complex titles like "founding chair of robotic and minimally invasive surgery of Kaiser Permanente" where I don't see a way to simplify. I think they're relevant to his life as the jobs he held and probably shouldn't be removed entirely. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:00, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not so sure. It might be a good idea to ask a copyvio expert like RoySmith or Nikkimaria on what to do next. If you ever plan to bring this to GA, now would be a good time to resolve this as it will likely be brought up at GAN if it's not resolved by then. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:20, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

IMO the issue is less the titles and more bringing over the other CV/promobio stuff like having conducted 30 studies - I'd suggest omitting that. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:24, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Cut the 30 studies part. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:07, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

The removal has now brought the article to below 5x expansion. As this has been an issue since the start of the nomination, I feel that if it really isn't possible to bring it back up, that nomination should just be withdrawn and the article nominated for GA. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:01, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Given the circumstances, it doesn't seem feasible that this will stand as a 5x expansion. BeanieFan11 I suggest nominating the article for GA and trying again once it's promoted. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:38, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Give me maybe three or four hours to take another look at this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:38, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
    • @Narutolovehinata5: The article now stands at 5,262 bytes. A 5x expansion would be 5,025 bytes. Is this acceptable now? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:55, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
      • To be honest, given how the nomination has turned out and the earlier issues with reaching 5x, it seems too borderline for me to personally sign it off. It being a new GA would at least give it a more airtight chance. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:57, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
        • Well, is it enough for the rejection to be rescinded? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:59, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

You could ask for a second opinion on that from a neutral editor, but I'm personally leaning against it given how borderline the 5x expansion is and further copyedits (if needed) are enough to lower it. I won't object if another editor says yes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:05, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

In the unlikely scenario that another editor finds a need for such a substantial copyedit that would reduce the article's length by over 250 characters, then it could be declined – but I don't think its fair to reject an article that's been 5x expanded because "well yeah it's been 5x expanded, but only by a little bit". BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:15, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

I would give this a tick but I don't think I could. We need a new review. Earth605 (talk) 10:43, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria: I just took a look at Earwig again and much of the wordings remain the same, despite a copyedit. Given the circumstances, would they be eligible for WP:LIMITED, or they still need to be reworded? In the interest of this moving forward, and given how this times out next week, I'm willing to vacate my earlier reservations about the 5x expansion, but I'd really want to see this close paraphrasing issue resolved first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:02, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

I don't think my opinion has changed from above - I'm fine with the titles but am not a fan of the promobio. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:47, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

I just went through and tightened the article, meaning this is now below 5x. This has had long enough.--Launchballer 00:15, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Honestly, it feels like a relevant quote was removed just to get the article below 5x so it could be rejected. This has been a tremendous waste of time: you're right I should've just got it promoted to GA. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:10, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Closed as rejected due to length requirement, with no prejudice against renomination if it achieves GA status. Flibirigit (talk) 03:33, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

GA review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Maher Abbas/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: BeanieFan11 (talk · contribs) 16:26, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: WikiOriginal-9 (talk · contribs) 00:50, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

• Name needs cited in body.
  • Done.
• Added Stanford cat.
• Did he actually run track at Mankato?
  • Didn't see any sources mention it.
    • Should he be removed from the category then?
      • Let me ask the user who added it. @Habst: Did you find any sources mentioning that he ran track and Mankato? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:11, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks for the ping. I vaguely remember doing a quick search to confirm before adding but nothing is turning up now. I've removed the category but added a new source with his 1987 NCAA Division III men's cross country championships placing as a consolation.

  Considering he was a junior track star I find it hard to believe he never ran at Mankato before Emory. I see there is a pre-med "Mark Abbas" Mankato State student that kinda looks like him here: so that could be a lead for further coverage? --Habst (talk) 03:41, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

• Is there a link for heat?
  • Doesn't seem to be.
• Added Cleveland Clinic people cat.
• Added some faculty cats.

Spot checks

• Refs 1, 3, 6, and 8 look good.

Nice work! ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

• @WikiOriginal-9: BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:03, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by TarnishedPath talk 11:36, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

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[[File:|140px|Abbas at the Olympics]]

Abbas at the Olympics

• ... that future Olympic runner Maher Abbas (pictured) switched from basketball to track over frustration of referees being "easy to bribe"?

• Source: Atlanta Journal

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jean Bonhomme

Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 423 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:24, 4 October 2025 (UTC).

• This got a review less than two months ago at which the only issue was eligibility. I'm saying that review was sufficient for this; courtesy ping to user:Narutolovehinata5.--Launchballer 15:15, 5 October 2025 (UTC)