Talk:List of Korean flags

North Korea 1992

This page lists two North Korean flags, before and after 1992. What's the difference between them? The article Flag of North Korea doesn't make it much clearer—it just says that in 1992, it was "standardized", but did the standardization also include any actual changes? Either I'm missing it, or the articles don't clarify it. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:24, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Joseon Cybernation Inclusion

Another editor has previously proposed the inclusion of the flag of the Joseon Cybernation under the National flag category.

Whilst the Joseon Cybernation technically established relations with Antigua and Barbuda in 2023, this is clearly not on par with the status requisite to be considered a "National" flag, and the document itself declares that the cybernation is non-territorial. The Joseon Cybernation is not a real or widely recognized nation that admits itself to be merely "cloud-based, blockchain-backed", it would be laughable to suggest it is even remotely on par with the Republic of Korea or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

This organization/micronation is not relevant or legitimate enough to warrant the National category, which is reserved for actual sovereign states and countries. The Joseon Cybernation should remain excluded from the "National" flag category, or at best put under the "Political" flag category. Chungusmoment (talk) 00:31, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

Pinging @~2026-13136-51 and @ArtemisiaGentileschiFan as relevant editors. I do think that the inclusion of the JC is justifiable at least somewhere in this page. This isn't an article about Korean sovereignty. I don't think the exact specifics of sovereignty should matter in a page where it's a list of flags.

Wikipedia:Reliable sources in regards to the matter call it recognition and saying otherwise is Wikipedia:OR:

https://antiguaobserver.com/the-digital-dynasty-joseon-pm-speaks-about-benefits-to-country/

Might I add, that the RoK and the DPRK are themselves, states with limited recognition. JC was excluded from this list because it isn't a state due to, as @Chungusmoment mentioned it, no land. However it definitely is a nation, which "is a type of social organization where a collective identity—a national identity—has emerged from a combination of shared features across a given population". JC may not have land, but it technically does have a population.

I am open to doing what List of Moldovan flags does with Transnistria, adding a separate category for the Joseon Cybernation. However, I think at this moment, I slightly prefer keeping it where it is. TansoShoshen (talk) 05:27, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

I would be amenable to the Transnistrian category compromise, but I think that keeping the Cybernation on par with the DPRK and ROK will be confusing.

For now I won't edit anything on the page until we reach consensus.

My concern comes from the fact that this page is intended for the flags of Korea and the Korean people. The Joseon cybernation mentions in their white paper (which appears to be a sort of constituting document to my knowledge) that they press no claims to any territory of the Korean Peninsula. This is a page intended to show the current and historical flags used by Koreans and Koreanic entities (ex: the Three Kingdoms, Koryo, Choson, civil organizations, municipal governments, etc.) who actually live on the peninsula or have direct ties to Korea as a nation. There is the royal connection that the King has through Yi Seok, but if the Cybernation claims no Korean land and is not strongly linked to the Peninsula, it should not be considered to be purely "Korean" or "National" in the same way as the two Koreas.

I think someone intending to look here for flags used in Korea will be confused if the Cybernation flag is displayed to be on par with the two powers that at present control the halves of the Korean peninsula. The Cybernation was founded and is based outside of Korea, and it does not possess the defined (physical) territory or permanent population of a sovereign state. Its inclusion under the regular National category would be understandable if the Cybernation actually had territory or a permanent population on the Korean peninsula, but the distinct and unprecedented nature of its existence as an entity without territory or territorial claims on its own ought to distinguish it from the two Koreas, which are traditional sovereign states. Chungusmoment (talk) 04:21, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

@Chungusmoment Thank you for your in-depth response.

The white paper is more like a declaration, what you're looking for is the Code of National Governance. I think that even though they claim no land on the Korean Peninsula, their bond to Korea is significant enough to justify their location on this article. Andrew Lee's biological father was born in Jeonju, with them being possibly descendant from Gojong per this RS: https://house.ettoday.net/news/1869557

Every PM has been someone of primarily Korean ancestry (the current of which even spoke out against the ICE raid on the Hyundai facility a while back; as an aside, I did not expect to see what I saw in the contents of this channel while doing research bout the JC). Per the aforementioned whitepaper, additional income is supplied to companies whose stakeholders pass a Korean language exam.

I do understand how it could be a little confusing, but I still am not personally convinced that the distinction between nations that have a state vs not is needed for this article. I feel like if we do add it under a separate section, we'd have to add quite a bit of text as context, while as with where it is now, we can simply point to this talk page discussion we're having. I also would like to add how "Korean" in this regard is sort of a term that is only in English, as the DPRK and RoK have completely different endonyms, with JC and DPRK actually sharing an endonym. I think it is ultimately more useful to frame the article from the perspective of Koreans as an ethnic group rather than Korea the peninsula. TansoShoshen (talk) 06:10, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

NK and SK both also have limited recognition and it's not really our place to decide if it's "on par" with either of them. The simple fact is that NK, SK, and JC are all Korean nations with limited recognition. ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 12:40, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

I made some comments regarding the argument for keeping the JC in the National Category in response to TanshoShoshen above.

In short, South Korea and North Korea possess territory and a population on the Korean Peninsula. The Joseon Cybernation does not. In regards to their status, the limited recognition status of North and South stems from the Cold War, but nobody actually doubts the sovereignty of the DPRK or ROK. Japan, for instance, does not recognize the DPRK, yet frequently holds high-level communications and reproaches them for their kidnapping programs. The United States does not recognize the DPRK, yet has constantly had high-level confrontations and held two summits under the first Trump administration. It is a fact that, de facto if not de jure, both Koreas exist and are potent on the world stage.

On the other hand, the Joseon Cybernation does not possess territory or a permanent population, at all and let alone on or in relation to Korea. It is dubious to propose that the Joseon Cybernation, as of present, could be considered a nation in the same sense as North Korea or South Korea. Maybe if the Cybernation amasses significant resources or influence it could be reasonable to approach it as a sort of nation, but I think it is as of now far too premature to consider the Joseon Cybernation a "Korean nation". Even their King himself is an American who was born in Indianapolis, Indiana.

Most Koreans have never even heard of the Joseon Cybernation. All Koreans, regardless of North or South, are aware of the two states regardless of their opinions on the other. Chungusmoment (talk) 04:32, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree, the Joseon Cybernation is simply irrelevant. QuadrangleDinglePingle (talk) 04:52, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

@QuadrangleDinglePingle Is the Joseon Cybernation flag not a flag and not Korean? How is it irrelevant? TansoShoshen (talk) 17:39, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

I would agree with putting it under some other category, i.e. political organization or something. It should be on the page, but most certainly should not be placed with the two Koreas. ~2026-18213-99 (talk) 03:35, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

@TansoShoshen: A single proposal by a temporary account does not mean that there is consensus. Please do not add the Joseon Cybernation flag unless consensus is reached, and consider using dispute resolution mechanisms if needed. (Courtesy ping ArtemisiaGentileschiFan.) Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:54, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

@Nice4What So a few things, I was the 1 who first made that proposal, which is based off what the page List of Moldovan flags did with Transnistria. I can see how placing the flag of JC next to that of North and South Korea could be seen as WP:UNDUE, however I still believe it deserves a place somewhere here.

Even if that temporary account was indeed the one who suggested it, why would it matter? Just because someone is using a temporary account doesn't mean their opinion is less valuable. TansoShoshen (talk) 02:19, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

@TansoShoshen: Transnistria is a state, the Joseon cybernation is not; I don't believe this proposed compromise is an equal comparison. As a self-proclaimed entity in cyberspace, I don't believe the Joseon cybernation even claims to be Korean so I don't see why it deserves to have a place in here at all. Their bond to Korea is significant enough to justify their location and citing the prime ministers' ethnicity appears to be WP:SYNTH. Until a preponderance of reliable sources begin characterizing the Joseon cybernation as "Korean", I do not believe the Joseon cybernation can be included.

As it stands, there is no consensus at the time to add it to this list at the moment. You may consider an RfC if you believe this content dispute remains unresolved (e.g., Should the flag of the Joseon Cybernation be included in this list?).

Thank you for bringing up WP:HUMAN — I admit fault on my end for that one. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:34, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

The flag should not be included unless there is consensus to include it. I believe its inclusion would be WP:UNDUE as well. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 08:30, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

RfC: Should the flag of the Joseon Cybernation be included?

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Consensus for A: no inclusion. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 21:02, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

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Flag in question

The above discussion resulted in no consensus on whether or not the Joseon Cybernation's inclusion on the page is justified. Several options have been put forward.

A. No inclusion at all.
B. Inclusion under "National" category.
C. Inclusion under it's own category.
D. Inclusion under "Political" category.
E. Something else TansoShoshen (talk) 04:33, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

A: The list explicitly states the inclusion criteria as being This is a list of flags used by South Korea, North Korea, and their predecessor states.. Is the flag of the "Joseon Cybernation" a flag used by South Korea, North Korea or any of their predecessor states? My answer is no, because to me the inclusion criteria clearly implies we are talking about flags with some degree of official recognition (by North Korea, South Korea and their predecessor states). To be honest, the Political section should likely be removed under the current inclusion criteria, but I'm guessing maintainers of this article would rather just change the inclusion criteria to say that it also includes flags of notable political parties/organizations. Either way, the "Joseon Cybernation" falls under neither category and its flag should therefore be excluded from this list. ⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley$\lor$investigateᛅ} 06:45, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

@Maltazarian It's important to mention that the article's 1st flag listed is that of the Korean Unification Flag. That is most certainly not a flag used within official capacity by either side of the DMZ, nor any predecessor state. The initial addition of the Joseon Cybernation's flag did temporarily result in it explicitly being listed in the inclusion criteria.

This is also not to mention that the flag is a variation of a flag that is already on the list. Being a self-proclaimed successor state to the Joseon dynasty, the Joseon Cybernation uses a flag based on 1 used by Joseon's navy. The flag in question is in the list already under "Military". TansoShoshen (talk) 08:21, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

I mean the Korean Unification Flag has kind of been used in an official capacity as recently as at the 2018 Winter Olympics. It depends on what exactly one counts as being "used" by one of the Korean states. It has, at the very least, been sanctioned for usage to represent Korea by the governments.

As for the variation of the flag already being on the list: I didn't notice that. Comparing the two they appear to be identical. With that in mind, I see even less reason to add the Joseon Cybernation to the list. The Joseon Cybernation uses the Joseon navy's flag. It doesn't have its own flag to add to the list. ⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley$\lor$investigateᛅ} 08:49, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

@Maltazarian The differences between the 2 flags are there, but minor. Other similar articles do post variations of all flags, including that of very similar ones, like List of Japanese flags#National flags. JC's (current) flag is both in a very different aspect ratio and uses different shades of red, yellow, and blue. TansoShoshen (talk) 15:06, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

A or E: This page lists flags used by current and previous Korean states so I don't think the Joseon Cybernation flag has to be listed. However, if it were to be included, it should be under a different/new category. 23impartial (talk) 12:19, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

So A or C? TansoShoshen (talk) 17:49, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

Yes, I'd say either C or E would work. It could be its own category, or a completely new category along with other similar flags if applicable. 23impartial (talk) 11:18, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

A. (Summoned by bot) As stated above, this flag does not meet the inclusion criteria. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 13:25, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

A – Reliable sources do not describe Joseon as a Korean nation, and its inclusion would be WP:UNDUE. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 14:57, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

@Nice4What They themselves claim to "represent the Korean diaspora worldwide". TansoShoshen (talk) 13:59, 8 May 2026 (UTC)

A. The criteria of This is a list of flags used by South Korea, North Korea, and their predecessor states. seems to pretty clearly exclude it to me. Splitpunched (talk) 16:50, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

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