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Average spot rates v USD

Can anyone add the figures for recent times to the table "Average spot rates v USD", please? @LendingWiki:? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:39, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Understood. We will make the additions within the next week. LendingWiki (talk) 20:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Added based on Bank of Japan data. LendingWiki (talk) 21:27, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

References

"Real effective exchange rate"

Is this another name for purchasing power parity? Or something else? (If so, what?) 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Something else: see Effective exchange rate. Rate against a relevant basket of currencies so as not to give undue weight to any one comparator (typically, the US dollar, which is itself subject to market-led booms and busts).

"Japanese authorities likely to intervene"

Just to explain my broken edit summary... An isolated one-day Forex rate is not significant so, per policy WP: Wikipedia is not a newspaper, we do not report it. Prediction of BoJ intervention fails WP: Wikipedia is not a crystal ball so is also not permitted. However, if (and only if) the BoJ actually does intervene, then at that point we can report an actual intervention. But not before. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 08:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Comparative Management Seminar

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 30 January 2024 and 20 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Makkyno (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Makkyno (talk) 18:21, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

"Major" - seriously?

@LendingNext: You wrote The impact of the weak yen has had a major negative impact on large parts of the Japanese economy, including the cancellation of a number of major events. This is why I reverted it:

Major assertions need major sources, economic commentators of the highest standard. Your supporting citation is an example (examples are not a valid citations, per WP:NOR) of a minor source reporting that the principle of 100¥ shops doesn't work any more. Well try finding a 100 cent shop in the US or EU any more, even a 100p ("pound shop") in the UK. Is an air guitar festival a "major event"? We've had domestic inflation, now you are seeing imported inflation. I realise that most Japanese people have no experience of inflation and the consequent de facto loss of value of their savings. But depreciation of the yen is the result, not the cause. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 08:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC) (revised 09:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC))

The Air Guitar Japan Championships itself is not a major event, but it is reported by TBS, a major mass media outlet, and we have decided that it is verifiable and therefore of high importance and have published it. LendingNext (talk) 09:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

No, this is your analysis of two examples and is thus contrary to WP:No original research. The TBS article reports these two examples without comment, so it does not provide the required support for your assertion. Furthermore, "major mass media outlets" are elsewhere associated with sensationalist and poorly evaluated reporting, so its reliability would be questioned even if it did comment. For our article to say that yen weakness has had a major negative impact on large parts of the Japanese economy, you would have to provide multiple sources or respected economists who have reached that conclusion from their analysis of the evidence. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:50, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes. The weak yen has caused a sharp rise in prices in Japan, forcing many Japanese to save money. There are a number of negative effects, for example, the average Golden Week budget has decreased by almost 10 000 yen. LendingNext (talk) 10:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Stick to the claims directly stated in sources. Do not synthesize new claims sources do not directly say, that is original research. Remsense诉 10:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Understood. We will add other key analyses etc. as we find them. LendingNext (talk) 10:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

When you say 'we', are you saying that multiple people use this account? Remsense诉 10:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Apologies. This is an automatic translation error. LendingNext (talk) 10:53, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

In practice, I am the only one using it. LendingNext (talk) 10:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Understood. Remsense诉 10:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Every connection you've made there is not explicated in the sources, and is thus original research. Stick to what sources directly say. Remsense诉 09:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit war over date format

There is a silly edit war going on over how to write dates. This has been seen many times in many articles and there is a Wikipedia policy for it: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Retaining the existing format. It says to use the style that has been the established practice for in the article for many years. So going back ten years to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Japanese_yen&oldid=590372945, we find

Fixed value of the yen to the US dollar
The yen lost most of its value during and after World War II. After a period of instability, on 25 April 1949 the U.S. occupation government fixed the value of the yen at ¥360 per US$1 through a United States plan, which was part of the Bretton Woods System, to stabilize prices in the Japanese economy.

so the established style is ddmmmmmmmyyyy.

The only exception to that rule is Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Strong national ties to a topic which says

Articles on topics with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country should generally use the date format most commonly used in that nation. For the United States this is (for example) July 4, 1976; for most other English-speaking countries it is 4 July 1976.

Japan is not an English-speaking country, so the exception does not apply.

If there is any doubt about the relevance of this policy, please ask at the Wikipedia:Teahouse for clarfication.

The edit war ends now. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 21:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Short description

Does it really make sense to add "of Japan" to the short description of the article titled "Japanese yen". Given that the short description always follows the article's title and its main purpose is to help discern it from similarly titled articles, how does adding "of Japan" adds anything of value to the short description? Vgbyp (talk) 10:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

There are advantages, such as the ability to make a clear distinction from other currencies, such as the Chinese yuan, whose symbols are identical. LendingNext (talk) 04:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Not sure what a currency symbol has to do with this (this article doesn't show up near the top of the search when searching for ¥), but how unclear can the distinction between 'Japanese yen - Currency' and 'Chinese yuan - Currency' be? It looks like I'm probably missing some short description usage where adding 'of <country>' would be relevant, but I cannot find it. Could you please direct me to an example where this is the case? Vgbyp (talk) 08:48, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I think it makes sense. French Franc is no longer used, but it was the currency of France. Deutche Mark was currency of Germany but no longer used in Germany. I think this can be a short good description:

Official currency of Japan

We know it used today, we know it is a curreny (some people may not know the Yen is currency) and we know its the official currency of Japan. O.maximov (talk) 12:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Just a general point, see Wikipedia:Short description, particularly WP:HOWTOSD and WP:SDNOTDEF. Also, keep in mind how the SD is used: it either appears in the mobile app when someone searches for Yen or appears in See Also list that uses {{annotated link}} (aka {{anli}}), like this:

• yen – Currency of JapanPages displaying short descriptions of redirect targets

so the article's title ("Japanese yen") may not be seen before the visitor arrives at the page. So IMO, "... of Japan" is appropriate. Especially as wiktionary:yen is a real word in English, meaning a desire or a wish. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

"Japanese en" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Japanese en has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 November 10 § Japanese en until a consensus is reached. consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 20:15, 10 November 2025 (UTC)