Talk:Cheney Lively

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected, closed by JuniperChill talk 23:15, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

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• ... that Cheney Lively was the first Black property owner and permanent resident of Indianapolis, Indiana?

• Source: Scott, Kate (2020). "Cheney Lively: A Black Woman on the Indiana Frontier". Traces of Indiana and Midwestern History. Vol. 32, no. 2. pp. 29–37

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Created by Ssafder (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Ssafder (talk) 14:14, 25 September 2025 (UTC).

• This is not a review, but per WP:DYKHOOKCITE, "first" hooks are now discouraged on DYK unless such claims have airtight sourcing. Right now, the claim that Lively was the first black permanent resident of Indianapolis is unreferenced; however, even if it was, the claim is so exceptional that it is unlikely to gain consensus. Please propose a different hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:33, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
• ALT1: ... that Cheney Lively was the only Black female head of household in Indianapolis listed in the 1830 census?
• Source: Scott, Kate (2020). "Cheney Lively: A Black Woman on the Indiana Frontier". Traces of Indiana and Midwestern History. Vol. 32, no. 2. pp. 29–37

To be honest, this hook doesn't really seem to be interesting either. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:51, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that despite being born enslaved Cheney Lively co-ran a horse mill, a store, and a distillery, and owned an estate? Lajmmoore (talk) 21:58, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

That's better. New review needed for ALT2. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:48, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

@Ssafder: The "Encyclopedia of Indianapolis" source says that she co-ran a horse mill, a store, and a distillery. The "Nuvo" source specifies that she owned a house. However, I can't find any source that mentions her owning an estate? -AmateurHi$torian (talk) 18:31, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

The nominator hasn't edited since October 23 and never responded to this discussion. Unless someone is willing to adopt this, there does not seem to be a path forward for this nomination at this time. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:56, 20 November 2025 (UTC)