Talk:Cape Verde

Minimum wage/salary

Since the exchange rate for CVE / USD varies, there's no point in stating what the USD equivalent was at some unknown time in the past.  Also, since 1999, CVE has been pegged to €110.265 so the EUR amount that was previously stated has never been correct. 伟思礼 (talk) 05:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Title of This Article

Requested move 26 May 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus is that even though Cabo Verde has seen an increase in usage it has not yet overtaken Cape Verde as the common name. (closed by non-admin page mover) ⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley$\lor$investigateᛅ} 22:48, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

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Cape Verde → Cabo VerdeCabo Verde – Maybe the title of this article should be Cabo Verde. What would the residents say? It seems to me the two words being in two different languages with definitely different pronunciations is a source of "ambiguity" --- I refer to other countries' newish names like Türkiye or Eswatini Methylphenidate000 (talk) 15:24, 11 September 2025 (UTC) Added RM due to people insistently adding comments to this section. Tbhotch^™ (CC BY-SA 4.0) 16:37, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

The residents aren't generally speaking English; our article on Germany isn't titled "Deutschland" even though that's what residents say. Anyway, see previous discussions about this that have appeared on this talk page. There's a list of four previous move discussion above; on mobile, you may have to click a "see-more" type of button near the top of the page. Largoplazo (talk) 15:51, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

Disagreed, see the move discussion for Timor-Leste and the failed move for Eswatini (the latter despite Swaziland being more common in English). ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:13, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

Your "despite" statement is incorrect, as the summation of the move conclusion was the WP:ENGVAR may be applied, and that recent sources in South African English were predominantly using "Eswatini". Largoplazo (talk) 13:56, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

• Support, consensus can change. Many organizations have switched to using "Cabo Verde", including the US state department. This should have been moved a long time ago. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:13, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

• Support

LoneShadow42 (talk) 16:22, 16 December 2025 (UTC)

The question, as always, is "how do independent reliable sources in English refer to this country?" Not how the country refers to itself. Not how organizations that are bound by their own rules to follow the country (and are thus not independent) refer to it. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:42, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Well, the United Nations refers to the nation as Cabo Verde now. So, I think there is some weight to that. Rgray24 (talk) 14:41, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

That's one source. It's already been brought up in previous discussions. Largoplazo (talk) 14:45, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

The governments of the United States , Canada , Australia , and South Africa all refer to Cabo Verde as such in official English-language sources. It seems to be the norm now amongst Anglophone nations. Rgray24 (talk) 15:13, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

You're falling into the same trap as people have fallen into in all previous discussions on name changes for this and other country articles. It isn't a matter of naming organizations or entities or sources one by one until reaching some magic number. It's a matter of showing that the new name is what's used in the preponderance of reliable sources. Largoplazo (talk) 16:11, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

Cabo Verde is the officially recognized name of the country and it is used by other countries and international organizations across multiple languages. It should just be as simple as that. It is the exact same case as Timor-Leste. Rgray24 (talk) 16:13, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

The guidelines for how we handle article titles are what they are. If you disagree with them, the place to discuss that is at Wikipedia talk:Article titles. Largoplazo (talk) 16:19, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

And by these rules, Cabo Verde should absolutely be the name of this article. I have now just realized that you opposed East Timor's change to Timor-Leste, so I don't know why anyone should listen to you. Your original post on here made a poor false equivalency in comparing "Cabo Verde" to "Deutschland". Rgray24 (talk) 16:30, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

And by these rules, Cabo Verde should absolutely be the name of this article. You're more than welcome to supply persuasive evidence that that's the case! In previous discussions, nobody did. Things may have changed since then. But you have to show it, you can't just declare it.

I don't understand what you think my position on East Timor has to do with the validity of my explaining that these decisions are made based on the applicable guidelines. Do you think some other veteran Wikipedian is going to tell you the guidelines are just there for fun and that we actually don't apply them in real situations? Largoplazo (talk) 16:42, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

And those same countries media refer to Cape Verde. Common usage beats official usage. If your argument is just "it's official", you will lose. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:32, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

Support it is different. We do not call Poland the Republic of Polska or Germany the Federal Republic of Deutschland, however, we do call this the Republic of Cabo Verde. Grandly and Sincerely, Informing and Uniting. (talk) 13:10, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

Who's "we"? Largoplazo (talk) 13:45, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

Oh,I meant most every official organization, such as the UN. And most people from my experience call it Cabo Verde. Grandly and Sincerely, Informing and Uniting. (talk) 14:08, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

We don't go by official organizations, precisely because they have to use what their member countries tell them to use. We go by what's in use by reliable sources that aren't bound to follow countries' instructions about their names and instead follow their own free will. Also, from our own experience, most people don't call it Cabo Verde. But we don't take individual editors' own experience into account. See WP:COMMONNAME. Largoplazo (talk) 14:28, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose. Changing this article title has been discussed in great detail in multiple official Requested Move discussions over the past decade and it has always been rejected. Rreagan007 (talk) 03:59, 28 April 2026 (UTC)
• Support – I support a fresh review of the article title. This is no longer only about the official name requested by the country in 2013; recent English-language usage appears to be shifting.

For example, FIFA now uses Cabo Verde on its official FIFA World Cup 2026 english pages, including the team page and match listings. This is significant because the 2026 World Cup will greatly increase international English-language coverage of the country under that name. Due to this increased visibility, more people and English-language sources are starting to refer to the country as Cabo Verde, which may affect common usage going forward.

I understand that Wikipedia follows WP:COMMONNAME and that official usage alone is not enough. However, the way the country is referred to in English appears to be changing, especially in official, diplomatic, and sporting contexts. Since previous requested move discussions were in 2016, 2019, 2020 and 2022, I think a new review based on current 2025–2026 usage may be reasonable. Elves.siva.vieira (talk) 13:28, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

What organizations of which a country is a member call the country is naturally going to be what the country asks to be called. Our principle that the official name is not what we go by implies that "name used by organizations that automatically use the official names of their members" is also not what we go by. We go by independent sources. Largoplazo (talk) 14:00, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

Nobody is actually providing sufficient and relevant evidence that applies to the WP:COMMONNAME framework. The rule is clearly about what people actually call the country--not what an authority institution titles the country as. There have been little to no references to news articles in which the country is called "Cabo Verde." ~2026-31395-76 (talk) 05:46, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

If you understand that official usage is not enough, why do you then go on to mention official usage as why you think we should change? --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:11, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose per Rreagan007 and per comments by Largoplazo and Khajidha. The predominant English-language exonym for Cabo Verde continues to be Cape Verde. The headline of a recent (October 14, 2025) story in The New York Times was "Destination World Cup 2026: The miracle of Cape Verde". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:14, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose It's hard to imagine a better time to have this discussion given the proliferation of articles covering the hantavirus outbreak on the ship that was then anchored off of the country for three days early this month before moving on to the Canary Islands. Googling hantavirus verde I've listed below the first 15 search results after excluding the following: (a) WHO (which does use "Cabo", but that's because it has to, it's an international organization that uses whatever names its members instruct it to use for them, so it isn't an independent source and doesn't tell us about English usage in the wild), (b) anything after the first source from a given publication that's from the same publication (including Oregon Public Broadcasting, which attributes its article to Associated Press) so as not to give any publication excess weight, and (c) social media.

• US Centers for Disease Control
• Reuters
• Harvard Medical School/Harvard Health Publishing
• BBC
• National Public Radio
• Associated Press/AP News
• London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine
• PBS News
• St. Louis/Southern Illinois Labor Tribune
• NBC News
• New York Times
• Science Media Centre
• Healthy Travel
• National Geographic
• The Guardian

These sources, from multiple countries, which seem to be a representative range of the sorts of sources we would consider from the world of journalism, along with some representation from health and science organizations, all use "Cape". This unanimity quite surprised me, in fact!

Using Google Ngrams to check the book corpus, we see that, although the gap is closing, "Cape Verde" instances continue to outnumber "Cabo Verde" instances, most recently still by more than 2 to 1. Largoplazo (talk) 00:42, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose per Largoplazo, no evidence the proposed is the WP:COMMONNAME yet, while the proposer and supporters argue that we should use the official name, but this goes against WP:OFFICIALNAME, we don't use official names just because the government and other governments do so, but rather give weight to secondary independent sources. DankJae 01:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose. Clear common name is English-language sources. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:39, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

Strong oppose This exact request has been rejected 4 times now. This discussion may need to be closed per snowball clause , as I see no possibility of consensus deciding to move. | One Reaction was here. Got a complaint? 10:27, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

World Cup

How unusual for Cape Verde to be heavily featured in international news twice within a couple of months. Now that their performance in the World Cup is making the news, I thought I'd run a survey with Google similar to the one I ran above. FIFA uses "Cabo", of course, because it calls its members what they ask to be called. Searching for "world cup" "verde" and taking the top search hits from major news sources (not providing the URLs this time, just the publications):

• ESPN: Cape
• The New York Times: Cape
• NBC News: Cape
• Sports Illustrated: Cabo
• BBC: Cape
• Fox Sports: Cape
• Al-Jazeera: Cape
• CBS Sports: Cabo
• The Guardian: Cape
• Financial Review: Cape
• Sportsnet.ca: Cape
• Reuters: Cape
• Iowa Public Radio: Cape
• Enterprise News: Cabo
• Miami Herald: Cape
• National Public Radio (NPR): Cabo
• Chicago Tribune: Cape
• Hawaii Public Radio: Cape
• Deutsche Welle: Cape
• NZ Herald: Cape
• Sky Sports: Cape
• ABC News: Cape
• AP News: Cape
• The Straits Times: Cape

Leaving off after eight pages of search results, ten per page, and having gotten bored, I'm calling it: 20 Capes versus 4 Cabos. I'm actually surprised, I'd expected more Cabos this time around, particularly because it is a relatively obscure country in much of the world and I'd have expected more outlets to know the country's name primarily from itself and from FIFA. But the media are largely adhering to Cape. Anyway, this reinforces last month's snowball closure of the move discussion. Largoplazo (talk) 03:30, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

Is that ABC News (United States) or ABC News (Australia)? --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:59, 29 June 2026 (UTC)

Which population figure do you want to use?

In the body of the text you give the following With a population of around 530,000 (as of 2026)

But in the information box you state Population • 2021 census 491,233

Why give two different census figures?

Montalban (talk) 08:51, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

Go ahead and fix it then, using a reliable source Billsmith60 (talk) 00:47, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

Reopening naming discussion

Apologies, buit I do think we need to reopen the naming discussion post-WC2026. The football team insisted on Cabo Verde and the media seems to have followed them. This google trends query for just the last 7 days shows Cabo Verde well ahead. Because of the WC, there was a huge spike back in June and that means the graph is difficult to read, or to visualise the change. But its definitely there. I think we should change. Fob.schools (talk) 07:37, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

A discussion happened two months ago. Tbhotch^™ (CC BY-SA 4.0) 07:56, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

That was my point. I apologised. But I think it was 2 months too early. Fob.schools (talk) 08:22, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

At this point, this is becoming Turkey/Czech Republic (and soon Nauru), and not in a positive way. It is clear that move discussion requests won't stop unless we obey what the official name is instead of letting the real world decide the name of the article. Just because the current trend is "Cabo Verde", which was simply caused by a football event that ended a few weeks ago, is not sufficient evidence the trend has changed because it hasn't changed. Tbhotch^™ (CC BY-SA 4.0) 08:31, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

Google Trends analyzes search request trends, which isn't what article naming decisions are based on. See my analysis in the move discussion of what's relevant: what name is being used in applicable sources. Has that changed in the last two months? Largoplazo (talk) 11:16, 31 July 2026 (UTC)