Talk:Cameroon/Archive 2

Cameroun?

I believe international agencies tend to use the French spelling for the modern nation-state. This would affect a whole slew of articles Chrismorey (talk) 06:36, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Ca

Dvcv — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.84.172 (talk) 14:44, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

German?

Is German an important language in the country? Discuss-Dubious (talk • contribs) 01:17, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Military section has broken formatting

I'm using this page for a bit of research at school, and it looks like the "Military" section has some botched formatting. I'm not very familiar with MediaWiki's formatting, and I haven't the time to fix this myself right now if I could. I'll check again later and see what I can do if noone else sees this. RETheUgly (talk) 13:28, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Governance of Cameroon

I was doing some work on creating new categories and am confused by the assortment of different names of categories for Cameroon as can be seen at Category:Decades in Cameroon. A lot of these category names were devised by the use of a template and there might be some misidentification. It would be great if someone could help me sort out the Kamerun‎, British Cameroons, French Cameroons and Cameroon categories so they accurately reflect the history of this country. Thanks for any help you can offer. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:25, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

@Liz: How would you feel about making the categories for divisions of the country (British/French/Southern and "Kamerun" [German]) subordinate to categories for the decades they represent? Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 01:43, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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Religion

There has been some recent back-and-forth editing on the religious make-up of Cameroon. I am no sort of expert on the subject matter, but can I suggest that the people who have been making the changes discuss which sourcing is the more reliable here? It might be good to see whether there is some sort of census data published by the Cameroonian government, or some other authoritative primary source, to help evaluate the secondary sources (which both look like online news articles, which isn't really ideal). GirthSummit _(blether) 15:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@GirthSummit There seems to be a deliberate attempt here by User:Familyleave to downplay the Christian majority in Cameroon and exaggerate Muslim and folk religion percentages by using isolated sources. He/she also did this on Religion in Cameroon here but this time didn't bother to change the source. Since both CIA and Pew agree with a Christian majority in excess of 60% in Cameroon, I suggest going with a 63% Christian, 22% Muslim and 14 traditional religion figure as provided by this latest source. Regards Epelerenon (talk) 15:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)Epelerenon is a sock puppet of an indef blocked user.VR _talk 12:24, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Epelerenon, thanks for checking those sources. Based on that, I agree that the material in both articles should be changed to reflect those figures - would you be happy to make the changes, and referenced to those sources? Thanks GirthSummit _(blether) 15:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@GirthSummit Okay I will make the changes based on the CIA figure, which is the latest one and most reliable. Regards Epelerenon (talk) 16:02, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@User:Eplelrenon I, as well as other Africans, are sick and tired of Westerners narrating who we are. We have our own sources and are more in-tune with the structure of our society. We do not need Western researchers who visit the our countries to tell us who we are. The CIA has been proven time and time again to not be 100 per cent reliable especially when it comes to the global south. Going by their latest figures, I can already spot incorrect information on the ethnic demography of Cameroon. The CIA is NOT preeminent particularly when it comes to Africa. This to say, the religious demographics in Cameroon is highly disputable and equivocal as many people might declare themselves to be Christians but are NOT practising Christians as they still adhere to traditional beliefs. It is the reason the Cameroon census declares nominal figures because in Cameroon, traditional beliefs are very much highly regarded in both rural and urban settlements. Just because the Cameroonian government is Christian, does not mean Christianity is wholesomely abided by the majority of Cameroonians. Whoever is editing the information for Cameroon needs to stop with his/her western caucasian agenda on religion in Cameroon. Traditional beliefs are highly practised in Cameroon and it is disrespectful to our culture to disregard this fact. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Familyleave (talk • contribs) 17:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Head of state

The section on politics and government says the prime minister is the official head of state however if you read the wiki page on the politics of Cameroon it says it is the president. Clearly one of these pages is wrong. Firestar47 (talk) 09:56, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Francis Nagannou Sports

Hello, friends I want to suggest to add some info about UFC heavyweight champion Francis Nagannou in culture and sports section. He's from West Camroon. And is famous, doing good social work for the poor childrens of West Cameroon. I am not from Camroon but I came on the article of Cameroon from Francis Nagannou's article. Because of him the image of this country change for me in a positive way. Huge Earth (talk) 07:01, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

If there is a source which places him at such prominence within the coverage of Cameroon that would be helpful. The article link you are looking for it Francis Ngannou. CMD (talk) 10:19, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion for section on science and technology

Hi, just a suggestion, many country articles have sections or subsections for 'science and technology', this could be a section on this article as well. The UNESCO Science Report may be a good place to start and can copied from directly using these instructions.

Thanks John Cummings (talk) 14:26, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Cameroon

The pronunciation is in American English. However, the IPA glosses over the distinction in American English between “a” before a nasal (m, n). Examples:

spat/spam hat/ham pat/pam sat/sam slat/slam rat/ram cat/cameroon

In American English, these pairs are different. The first is pronounced “æ”, the second “e” (IPA).

In fact, the “e” sound is used in the article’s own audio sample. Cf. “cash”, “cat”, “cap”—“æ” words. Oxenfording (talk) 06:03, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Source 12 is locked behind a paywall

Source 12 about the native languages, https://www.ethnologue.com/country/CM, is not accessible without a subscription — Preceding unsigned comment added by NullFoo (talk • contribs) 03:07, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

How do I upload my reading for the wiki spoken project?

I made a recording of me reading the cameroon article but i can't find a place to upload it. Where can I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZKevinTheCat (talk • contribs) 22:30, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

@ZKevinTheCat: There are instructions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia/Uploading guidelines. CMD (talk) 22:51, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

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West and Central

I think there are very few to none African-origin editors and researchers on Wikipedia who fully grasp the narrative of the continent and simply go by definitions at face value. All this to say, for the case of Cameroon being solely identified as Central Africa is not entirely true as the country shares cultural and historical links to both west and central regions of Africa. However, as a member state of ECCAS, it is economically and geopolitically recognized as Central Africa. Cameroonians identify themselves as both depending on which regions of the country they come from Teeyawiki (talk) 12:39, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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Why is Eritrea apart of Ethiopia on the map?

On the map showing Cameroon's location, Eritrea's for some reason just grouped with Ethiopia. I think this could be a mistake Cactusjuice65 (talk) 19:40, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Tell the government to update our coat of arms

We must give it to the official Canadian coat of arms graphic designer. Almost all other Africans updated their coat of arms! So must we! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:587:4113:8c00:d88f:f089:47f1:5c81 (talk) 17:57, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Authoritarianism add?

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I dont see why this is such an issue to add authoritarian onto here. I cited a source for it. As for the minor edit part, I missclicked and for that I apologize. ErickTheMerrick (talk) 18:58, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

As stated in my edit summary, "authoritarian" is not a government type. It does not describe any particular aspect of a government's structure or organization. On articles where this is present, I strongly disagree with it, but can only reiterate the argument why it is improper. Remsense ‥ 论 22:45, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

The reason it is in other articles is because your interpretation is not what is held by the wider world Which Countries Have Authoritarian Governments in 2024? Moxy🍁 04:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

A government can behave in an authoritarian manner, but the word does not indicate any specific information about how a government is structured or how it functions—the page you link does a good job of illustrating this. A label that applies equally vaguely to Saudi Arabia, Russia, the CAR, and Cuba just isn't doing much except casting vibes here. Remsense ‥ 论 04:37, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

We should write to Oxford university letting them know they're wrong Moxy🍁 04:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Moxy, I apologize if I'm irritating you, especially since I really enjoy discussions involving you and I would like that feeling to be mutual—but are you reading the sources you're posting here? The worldpopulationreview joint repeats over and over there is no specific structural or functional properties described by authoritarian, and this entry does much the same! I do not think we should not use this word or cite sources that use it in analysis, but it is simply not referring to anything in particular as a government type.Remsense ‥ 论 04:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

My main concern is not regurgitating the sources because of how you feel of it being vague. Not our place to decide the media and academics are using a vague term. Moxy🍁 05:01, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

We should be providing sources to our readers so they can do their own research and evaluations. Sources should not be omitted simply because of perceived ambiguity. We are here as a terrestrial source providing information to more extensive publications. Moxy🍁 05:10, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

It's not that it is vague—republic is vague, but it belongs here—it's that it does not indicate anything within the bounds of what this parameter is meant to describe. I'm not ignoring that sources use the term, I'm listening to what they are trying to articulate when they use it. Remsense ‥ 论 05:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

We'll have to simply disagree as many sources out there would be beneficial to our readers. We should provide our readers with academic publications...... They should not be omitted simply because of your point of view.... Heavily covered topic for the country but somehow it's not mentioned at all. Harkness, Kristen A. (2020-12-17). "Cameroon: The Military and Autocratic Stability". Oxford Research Encyclopedia of Politics. Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/acrefore/9780190228637.013.1800. ISBN 978-0-19-022863-7. Moxy🍁 05:27, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

I do not want to hide anything, I just don't want to put the square peg in the round hole. Use the word once per paragraph if that is what the sources demand, but I've tried to make clear that that's not my issue. Remsense ‥ 论 05:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

To be clear: I would support a label for the government that incorporates minority ethnic dictatorship, following another article by Harkness. This term far more clearly refers to specific structures and mechanisms within the government.Remsense ‥ 论 05:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

@ErickTheMerrick what part of this discussion made you think there was consensus for your changes to be reinstated unaltered? Remsense ‥ 论 00:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Moxy’s replies, that it is accurate, and that I have sources so there’s no reason not to add it. Your argument of “It’S nOt A fOrM oF gOvErNmEnT” falls on its face when you realize the most countries who have authoritarian governments’ wiki pages have authoritarian in their government infoboxes. ErickTheMerrick (talk) 01:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Sources do not guarantee inclusion. CMD (talk) 02:05, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I know that, that’s not Remsense’s issue (as they said up above). Their issue is if it should even be added at all. ErickTheMerrick (talk) 03:42, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I feel this still needs to be added. ErickTheMerrick (talk) 19:01, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

We know. Remsense ‥ 论 19:02, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Can’t we reach an agreement here? ErickTheMerrick (talk) 19:35, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

If you refer to your first direct reply to me here, you may understand why I'm pessimistic about that, as you have not indicated that you even take my attempts to articulate my position seriously. Maybe I am being hypocritical, but I struggle to find where you've articulated your own position in kind. Remsense ‥ 论 20:04, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

My position is that it is an authoritarian dictatorship and therefore, should be labeled as such in the infobox ErickTheMerrick (talk) 19:34, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

I know. I have already given my position, and you have not really engaged with it. I am attempting to be as level-headed as possible here when I reiterate that your conception of what should go in the infobox—e.g. what are the key facts of a topic, to be communicated at a glance—is far beyond what many experienced editors think it is capable of containing, in line with its purpose. I do not know how better to get this across; I keep gesturing to both policy and illustrative examples that have resulted from deliberate consensus, but want to avoid bludgeoning. Remsense ‥ 论 19:43, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Well I don't know what to tell you, there are plenty of Wikipedia pages mentioning authoritarianism in their respective government infoboxes, so I don't get the push back against adding it here. ErickTheMerrick (talk) 15:43, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Many articles do poor things, their infoboxes more so. I read the push back as being explained in Remsense's 13 January post. CMD (talk) 18:43, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

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