Talk:Bayezid II

Ahmet defeats Karaman?

It reads: Ahmed, the older of the two claimants, had won a battle against the Karaman Turks. It this claimed sourced ? Ahmet was in early teens when the realm of Karaman was incorporated into Ottoman Empire. I'll call the editor. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

• Another comment:It is claimed that Selim returned from Crimea and, with support from the Janissaries, defeated and killed Ahmed. Bayezid II then abdicated the throne to Selim (The author is ambigious.) The timeline is incorrect. I'll fix it. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 12:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Death of Cem?

Under "Fights for the throne" the article states "Cem was left to languish and die in a Neapolitan prison." This does not correlate to the Wikipedia article on Cem, which says he died "in Capua on February 25, 1495, while on a military expedition to conquer Naples under the command of King Charles VIII of France." These differing accounts should be fact-checked and corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugsi (talk • contribs) 15:46, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Article is biased and engages in apologetics of the Ottoman Empire

This article is written in a non-critical fashion and does not attempt to establish the balance between those who opposed the Ottoman colonization, and the Ottoman state. Great deal of effort is made to highlight the Sultan's supposed charity to the Jews and Muslims of Spain, but, for example, no mention is made of the fact that they had been in Spain to begin with - highlighting that Kingdom's tolerance up to that point. As well, the document focuses on official Ottoman document that tend to propagandize their actions and often write in an epic style after the fact highlighting the charity of the Turks, which is repeated here.

It is ironic that no mention of is made of Bayezid's famous legal reforms in which he reduced the criminal penalties for Christians who failed to pay their much-higher taxes than the Muslim population which they had to pay communally (if 1500 people lived in a village, and 500 ran away, the 1000 remaining had to pay the full 1500 amount). Bayezid says he would reduce the penalties, but not the taxes, and that "so the taxpayer doesn't die completely." This sarcastic statement in which he mocks them, essentially saying 'They're almost dead, if they die, we'll collect less tax, so the reform is not to make it easier on them, it's to make sure we get paid, is astonishingly used to make the case that Bayezid helped the Christians. Apologists should try and make a point that Christians in the Balkans continued being subject to the theft of their male children, which was an act of genocide, something also done to the Armenians in a different way much later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.85.236.12 (talk) 09:23, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Spanish Inquisition?

The sentence "In July 1492, the new state of Spain expelled its Jewish and Muslim populations as part of the Spanish Inquisition" mixes topics in a very inaccurate way. The Jews were expelled from Castille and Aragon in 1492 (Alhambra Decree) but this is not "part of" the Inquisition since the Spanish Inquisition had jurisdiction only over baptized members of the Church (e.g. converts). Muslims were not expelled in 1492. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raulgh (talk • contribs) 12:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Jewish and Muslim Immigration Paraphrasing

Starting with "He ridiculed," this section is taken almost word for word from the encyclopedia entry that it cites (Bajazet II). In Sources, it says this entry is now in the public domain. Wouldn't this still be plagiarism if not quoted directly? RomanChicken (talk) 14:35, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

Suggestion for a better infobox portrait

Contemporary eyewitness depiction of Bayezid II (45 years old). Shāhnāma-i Malik-i Āhī. Istanbul, ca. 1495, TSMK, H. 1123, fol. 14a.

Contemporary depiction of Bayezid II by an eyewitness (1495)

We're lucky to have a contemporary Ottoman depiction from life of Bayezid II and his court ca. 1495, when he was about 45 years old, in the Shāhnāma-i Malik-i Āhī. The author of the Shāhnāma-i Malik-i Āhī was Malekzāda Āhi, an Iranian who served at the court of the Ottoman sultan Bāyezid II (r. 1481–1512), and who "accompanied the sultan since his years as a prince". The painter was Darwish Mahmud b. ʿAbdullah nakkash, who was active at the Ottoman court until 1509. He came from Tabriz, where he had worked for the Aqqoyunlu Sultan Yaʿqub (r. 1478–90). I suggest we use this contemporary portrait for the infobox, now that image quality is also decent: this is much more better that later fancy and anachronistic depictions. Please go ahead with the replacement if satisfactory.

Later (near-contemporary) depiction (1525-30)

For near-contemporary portraits of the declining Bayezid II at the end of his life, we have Bayezid II at 63 years old at the Battle of Tekirdag (1511) from the Selimnâme, circa 1525-30 (TSM, Н. 1597-98), as well as Bayezid II enthroned while presiding over a council of viziers in the Selimnâme, 1524 (NLI, , Ms. Yah. Ar. 1116), all created during the reign of his son Selim I. This could be fitting for the end of the article.

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  Bayezid II at 63 at the Battle of Tekirdag
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  Bayezid II enthroned at 63
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  Bayezid II presiding over a council of viziers at 63

Pataliputra! (talk) 05:25, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

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