Talk:Banu Ifran
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Problem 1
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I have a big problem when i edit in wike english
i want to write this but there is one party that not edit . I don't know why.
It' is in history i write it Kahina called his son Ifran. And few of them was christian.
Ibn Khaldun, say Ifran are berber , he don't say any thing to concerne their religion.
Some contemporary historian like Emile Félix Gautier in his french book "Siècles obscurs du Moghreb" , he say Zenata was very wild people. Some historian say the Queen Kahina was a Judith [1] [2] .--Great11 (talk) 17:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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Religion
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Before Islam
Ifran are Like Zenata, animism was the principale spirtitual philosophy inspiration of this big tribe.
Ifri is a deity [[Berber][1] .
The translation or borrowing latin gives us Africa (Africa) which was a goddess Berber before the Roman conquest. Dea Africa means goddess Africa and represents a symbol to the Roman era.
And Ifri means local populations of Afers. Ifru symbolizes rites in caves to protect businessman. there is a cave not far from Constantine et Guechguech, it represent the rite. and Roman show the myth of protection in their money . [2] [3] .
When Arab army attack Maghreb. the Ben Ifran were the first tribe to defend their Queen Kahina.[4]
During Islam
Ben Ifren was opposed to Arab army ( sunnit and chite). They choise Kharidjit mouvement. Ibn Khaldun say: Zenata people say we are muslman but they still opposed to Arab army. [5] [6]. After 711, the berber were very serious to pratctice Islam religion. The prinipale leaders of Ifren were all time opposed to Arab army ( Abu Qurra, Abou Yazid, etc) [7]
please help me thanks --Great11 (talk) 17:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
References
- ↑ Archives des missions scientifiques et littéraires De France Commission des missions scientifiques et littéraires, France<ref> <ref>Archives des missions scientifiques et littéraires De France Commission des missions scientifiques et littéraires, France<ref> the Plural of Ifri is Ifran.<ref>Mots, Edmond Rostand
- ↑ Recueil des notices et mémoires de la Société archéologique, historique, .. du département de Constantine , Arnolet, 1878<ref> Ifru was a sun goddess and a god even as caves and protector of the home. <ref>Les cultes païens dans l'Empire romain De Jules Toutain, page 416, p635 et p636<ref> . Ifru or Ifran is a kind of Vesta Berber But the majority of historians they say Kahina was chritian <ref>Gabriel Camps, Berber encyclopaedia<ref>. Kahina called his son Ifran. And few of them was christian. Ibn Khaldun, say Ifran are berber , he don't say any thing to concerne their religion. Some contemporary historian like Emile Félix Gautier in his french book "Siècles obscurs du Moghreb" , he say Zenata was very wild people. Some historian say the Queen Kahina was a Judith <ref>The FalashasA Short History of the Ethiopian Jews De David Kessler
- ↑ Relations judéo-musulmanes au Marocperceptions et réalités De Michel Abitbol
- ↑ Page 193 tome 3 d'Ibn Khaldoun Histoire des Berbères
- ↑ Ibn Khaldun, Histoire des berberes, Traduction Slane, édition Berti
- ↑ La Berbérie et L'Islam et la France par Eugène Guernier, tome 1, édition de l'union française, 1950
- ↑ Ibn Khaldun, Histoire des berbère, traduit par Slane , édition Berti
Problem 2
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REFRENCE 12 ?????????
Archives des missions scientifiques et littéraires De France Commission des missions scientifiques et littéraires, France[1]Archives des missions scientifiques et littéraires De France Commission des missions scientifiques et littéraires, France[2] the Plural of Ifri is Ifran.[3][4][5] Ifru was a sun goddess and a god even as caves and protector of the home. [6]. Kahina called his son Ifran. And few of them was christian. Ibn Khaldun, say Ifran are berber , he don't say any thing to concerne their religion. Some contemporary historian like Emile Félix Gautier in his french book "Siècles obscurs du Moghreb" , he say Zenata was very wild people. Some historian say the Queen Kahina was a Judith [7][8][9][10][11][12] in this page --Great11 (talk) 17:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I need help --Great11 (talk) 21:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I resolve the problem . I think , it's very good . I make lot of errors in this page sorry..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Great11 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
References
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- ↑ Mots, Edmond Rostand
- ↑ Recueil des notices et mémoires de la Société archéologique, historique, .. du département de Constantine , Arnolet, 1878
- ↑
- ↑ Gabriel Camps, Berber encyclopaedia
- ↑ The FalashasA Short History of the Ethiopian Jews De David Kessler
- ↑ Relations judéo-musulmanes au Marocperceptions et réalités De Michel Abitbol
- ↑ Page 193 tome 3 d'Ibn Khaldoun Histoire des Berbères
- ↑ Ibn Khaldun, Histoire des berberes, Traduction Slane, édition Berti
- ↑ La Berbérie et L'Islam et la France par Eugène Guernier, tome 1, édition de l'union française, 1950
- ↑ Ibn Khaldun, Histoire des berbère, traduit par Slane , édition Bert
Ifran / Africa
[edit]I have removed the unsourced sentence "The Roman name Africa means Land of the Afri, the indigenous inhabitants of North Africa" in the etymology section - it was implying an unsourced connection. Does anyone have a source which connects the Ifran with the Ifriqiya? The arabic إفريقية and يفرن have only two letters فر in common rather than the three needed for a Semitic root. Oncenawhile (talk) 17:33, 6 October 2012 (UTC)