Talk:Air Training Corps

Relevance and repetition

In the previous edit I tried to include and adapt to create more recent and relevant information - the article repeats itself alot and appears somewhat unprofessional - not at all encyclopaedic - there seems to be little referencing an consistency, with things being repeated on multiple occasions. Please, check before you add and edit.

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Title

This needs renaming to Royal Air Force Air Cadets, with logo etc. Updated accordingly Ybrewos (talk) 22:34, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

The Royal Air Force Air Cadets (RAFAC) and the Air Training Corps (ATC) are two separate organisations. The RAFAC is the parent organisation to the ATC and is also the parent to the RAF Contingent to the Combined Cadet Force (CCF). Harveywalker500 (talk) 21:09, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Summer camps.

Omission on overseas camps. Malta. RAF Luqa up until mid 70s of not later. 82.41.50.33 (talk) 09:30, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Name change

[Moving this discussion here so others can have input if the wish]

the RAFAC are no longer known as the Air Training Corps and hasn't for a long time. Please remove your revert. Joddd334 (talk) 20:19, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Joddd334: I have been unable to find sources detailing this change, if you have sources please share them. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 21:13, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

There was never a big announcement it was just a change that gradually happened. It became particularly prominent post CFC when the term "Air Training Corps" became less used and "RAF Air Cadets" became more common. RAF wanted to have their name in the organisation to show that they were sponsors of the corps Joddd334 (talk) 23:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Joddd334: Without a reliable source stating the change as official, the article will remain in a state that is in line with our current reliable sources. And with your description it seems that it's not a change to the actual entities that has occurred and more so something members have just adopted in a linguistic shift. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 13:28, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

please find me sources thar say it is still the "ATC", when the RAF website doesn't state "ATC" anywhere. Joddd334 (talk) 13:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

here -- Cdjp1 (talk) 18:31, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

from 2007. Show me anywhere on this website, https://www.raf.mod.uk/aircadets/cadets/being-a-cadet/, where lt says "Air Training Corps" or ATC? Joddd334 (talk) 08:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Besides the fact that multiple references listed there beyond 2007 refer to the Air Training Corps, here is a selection of citations from websites that all still refer to the ATC, and detail how the RAFAC is the umbrella organisation for the ATC and CCF(RAF):

1. Government reporting, 2022
2. Government reporting, 2023
3. Greater Manchester Wing, 2024, first published 2021 with RAFAC branding
4. RAF website detailing history, 2024, first published 2023
5. RAF Benevolent Fund, 2024, first published 2022
6. Bedfordshire and Cambridgeshire Wing, 2024, first published 2020
7. Norfolk and Suffolk Wing, 2024, "The RAFAC is a voluntary youth group which includes two elements; the Air Training Corps (ATC) and the Combined Cadet Force (CCF).", first published 2020
8. Trent Wing, 2024, first published 2020
9. South and East Midlands Wing, 2024, first published 2020
10. Dacre Sword 2022 recipient, still a featured article on the RAF Air Cadets website
11. Durham/Northumberland Wing, 2024, "The RAFAC is made up of two areas: Air Training Corps […] Combined Cadet Force (RAF)", first published 2021

So, it stands that ATC is still what reliable sources say. Now should it come about that RAFAC becomes the official organisation removing the ATC as an entity, then for this article the best course of action would be to add a note at the top of it directing to the RAFAC Article (updating that one as necessary) and in the history section of this article explaining the change from ATC to RAFAC. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 18:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)