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Quick enforcement requests

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This section is for short requests for enforcement that a single administrator could answer. This may include requests to impose a page restriction, to enforce obvious violations of an existing sanction, or to revoke extended-confirmed permissions from an editor. Any editor may revert violations of a restriction. Full requests for an editor to be blocked, banned, or given other editor restrictions should not be made here – for those, create a new full enforcement request.
To add a quick request here, copy the following text box, click to edit this section, paste in the copied text at the bottom, and replace "Heading", "Page title", "Requested action", and "Short explanation" with full descriptions. For how a quick request should look when properly formatted, see this example request.
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'''Requested action''': Short explanation (including the contentious topic or the remedy that was violated). ~~~~

Rana0110

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Vasilystepanov

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User:Guile's Theme

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Indian milhist article

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More CT/SA protection requested

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SideEffect

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WP:GAMING check: Did the SideEffect account game the extendedconfirmed privilege to edit in the Arab-Israeli conflict contentious topic area (which is covered by WP:ECR)? If so, should their EC grant be revoked? Gaming Check tool output - plot, revisions, summary stats. Sean.hoyland (talk) 12:17, 13 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

I have edited constructively, so WP:PGAME does not apply. SideEffect talk to your doctor 20:12, 13 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Some stats for nerds. Out of the 443 accounts that acquired the EC grant in the past year by actively editing on 20 days or less since their registration (like the SideEffect account)
  • 137 (~31%) have been indefinitely blocked, 1 was blocked for 6 months and 73 (~16%) of those accounts have been tagged as socks and assigned to sockmaster categories.
  • The EC grant was revoked from 20 accounts. 14 of those accounts were indefinitely blocked (6 of which were tagged as socks and assigned to sockmaster categories). Sean.hoyland (talk) 13:11, 13 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I don't think this is gaming. Yes, their edits are a lot more large now, but it's not like they did only minor edits before. They removed (presumably closed) move templates, went to the WP:NPOV noticeboard about an issue with the wording of article involving nuclear weapons, and even nominated an article for WP:SPEEDY. There are many small edits amongst that, but I believe that assuming good faith that these were Wikignoming and the user is simply more interested in CT:PIA topics is the best idea. (I am unaffiliated with SideEffect. I only saw them from their cleanup attempts on the article for Palestine.) In solidarity, Brynn Who Likes Editing | talk w/ me! 14:16, 13 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I don't know how to reliably distinguish between gnoming and gaming, but I can't revoke grants, so it doesn't matter. For context, the account came to my attention while testing the verbose option of recent grants part today after a tool rebuild. Sean.hoyland (talk) 16:38, 13 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I do not see gaming. I see a user making productive, constructive edits fixing typos and wording errors across the project. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:28, 13 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I also see 'a user making productive, constructive edits fixing typos and wording errors across the project' (and I assume after the EC grant). That's one of the reasons I made the report. It's an edge case, and 'unconstructive' is only part of the PGAME test, so it is a way to see how PGAME is employed in practice.
You can ask, based on the rest of PGAME, are these "trivial edits to raise" SideEffect's "access level". So, there is a question of intent (which I can't see obviously). Perhaps it would be helpful for SideEffect to state their intent. Was it to rapidly gain EC in order to edit (constructively) in the Arab-Israeli conflict contentious topic area or not? My view is that SideEffect's statement "I have edited constructively, so WP:PGAME does not apply." is not quite true because it only addresses a single element of PGAME, the 'constructive' vs 'unconstructive' test.
And given that PGAME states "The purpose of having these access levels is to help people get (and demonstrate that they have) the practical experience needed for certain kinds of editing. Edits that rapidly reach the technical level but don't get the person any real experience are often considered gaming the system.", you can ask, do these kinds of constructive fixes provide "the practical experience needed" to edit in the topic area? If this somewhat hand-wavy requirement is not part of PGAME enforcement in practice (and I think it probably isn't), perhaps it should be removed from the guideline. Maybe the community is okay with this kind of rapid EC grant acquisition pattern in practice. It is not very unusual. It's pretty easy to rapidly make 500 of these kinds of edits (Wikimedia provides several newcomer tools to help people with it), or constructive pre-EC edits gnoming edits can be outsourced to an agent, the person can take back control of the account once EC has been granted and no one is likely to notice, so I sometimes wonder about the practical utility of the current PGAME guideline wording. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:41, 15 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
The Palestine article has AI hallucinations and other serious issues that have not been addressed for two years. I'm trying to fix it. I'm not on a rampage to edit the broader topic area; I haven't added a single piece of new content to it.
Intent is also irrelevant. Even if I joined Wikipedia to edit EC articles, it's perfectly acceptable. Everyone has the right to edit any Wikipedia article. We share knowledge under the principles of neutrality and open collaboration. The purpose of EC is to prevent disruption, and I haven't been disruptive. SideEffect talk to your doctor 10:26, 15 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
With due respect to my colleagues above, I disagree and do think this is gaming. I see lots of trivial edits, including at least one clear ECR violation, and then as soon as they hit ECR they started editing Palestine. If that's not gaming then I don't know what is. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:20, 17 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
That is not an ECR violation— the Arab–Israeli conflict is the contentious topic, not Israel or Palestine on its own. It's about nuclear weapons. I did the same thing for every country. Most of my edit's on Palestine is cleanup. Although i did make some edits related to A-I conflict during cleanup. SideEffect talk to your doctor 17:22, 17 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Why does Israel allegedly have nuclear weapons? To threaten its neighboring Arab countries. Hence, the page itself is inherently related to the conflict. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:44, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Requesting a move on that page for the purpose of consistency is, IMHO, not an ECR violation, but is instead exactly the sort of edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive that ECR explicitly allows. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:16, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
A requested move is not an edit request as ArbCom uses the term. See Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel_articles_4#Clarification request: Palestine-Israel articles (July 2020). * Pppery * it has begun... 19:56, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
That's...a truly bizzare, and IMHO unfortunate, ruling. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:23, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
They were still acting in good faith and did not know about the ruling. An accidental violation of this sort doesn't warrant any sanctions. In solidarity, Brynn Who Likes Editing | talk w/ me! 16:05, 21 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
That's a fair point. However, I'm permitted to make edit requests, and I haven't participated in any discussions there. Requesting a requested move is itself a type of edit request: I asked that the page be renamed, and the community voted to change it. Could you point out any specific issues with my edits? I'm not sure why you'd want to have my extended confirmed status revoked. SideEffect talk to your doctor 19:18, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

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MissBVCC

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Assaultim

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WP:GAMING check: Did the Assaultim account game the extended-confirmed permission to edit in the Arab-Israeli conflict CTOP? Gaming check tool plot and summary. Assaultim's first 500 edits was most substantially composed of intensive bouts of new change patrolling/anti-vandalism since May 2025, which is why around half of their pre-EC edits are reverts.

I appreciate the value of the anti-vandalism work but this is probably not the best learning experience for collaborative editing in this topic area. Since achieving ECR on the 24th of August, Assaultim has been in multiple content disputes across the topic area. Samuelshraga (talk) 20:28, 17 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Per WP:PGAME, Making unconstructive or trivial edits to raise your user access level, is not allowed, and the examples it provides are making "dummy edits" or edits to a sandbox to reach ECR. You are correct that many of my pre ECR edits were counter-vandalism related, however I reject the implication that those are either unconstructive or trivial. I have also engaged in many counter-vandalism related edits after ECR and I have made many edits not related to the Arab-Israeli conflict at all. Assaultim (talk) 12:18, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
After much thought, I don't think this is actionable as gaming per se. If someone was trying to game their edit count with lots of vandal reverts, they would likely have warned the users they reverted -- twice as many edits that way. That, and taking several months to reach extendedconfirmed after starting active editing is a negative indicator. (But I totally see where you are coming from here - I actually came close to agreeing with you at one point). I haven't looked at the merits of their edits in the PIA area -- those can be dealt with in a separate filing if they are problematic. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:39, 19 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Re: Assaultim's first 500 edits was most substantially composed of intensive bouts of new change patrolling/anti-vandalism since May 2025... vs I have also engaged in many counter-vandalism related edits after ECR. Both of these statements appear to be true. If reversion activity on both sides of the EC grant point is of interest it is better to switch off the "Limit 'colored by' rug plots to pre-EC" option when generating the plot. I have regenerated it.
Re: taking several months to reach extendedconfirmed after starting active editing... is true, but both the plot and the summary display the number of days of active editing (i.e. unique dates on which a person saves a revision), and for Assaultim it's 30 dates. Out of the almost 4700 accounts that have been granted EC in the past year, just under 1 in 5 of them did so with 30 days or less of active editing.
I agree btw that this is probably not the best learning experience for collaborative editing in this topic area, but I also think, as I've said above, that "the practical experience needed" requirement does not seem to be part of PGAME enforcement in practice. Or you could say that editors (including admins) interpret PGAME as currently written in inconsistent and selective ways based on what seem to be personal views on the purpose/spirit of ECR rather than what PGAME states as an objective. Maybe this means PGAME is unenforceable in practice, except in the most obvious and unambiguous cases. Either way, rapid acquisition of the grant via arguably trivial (or at least non-experience building) but constructive edits followed by a substantial focus on ECR pages is both relatively common and not something that the community appears to label as gaming for the most part or sees as problematic in itself. Sean.hoyland (talk) 04:33, 19 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
On the 30 or fewer days of active editing, I'd add that of their first 500 edits there were 12 days on which Assaultim made a single edit. (Their first 8 edits, followed by 19 May, 7 June, 9 June - an ECR violation incidentally - and 2 August - another ECR vio. There was another day (22 June) that only had ECR violations so should definitely be excluded from the count. The remaining 485 edits would have been on just 17 days of active editing. I don't know how many other ECR violations there are, but a few jumped out , this one which they self-reverted a minute later.
I don't know how to evaluate how admins have generally interpreted PGAME, all I've looked at is the current board of quick requests and... I don't see how this doesn't qualify.
@Pppery I suppose they could have reached extended-confirmed faster if they had just warned every time they'd reverted, but it doesn't make sense to evaluate PGAME by pointing out strategies they could have but didn't use. The question is whether they did use strategies to game ECR, not whether they used the optimal ones. I look at the request on SideEffect and what I understand from your response is that lots of (though not exclusively) trivial but constructive edits including at least one ECR violation followed by immediately editing in the topic area is definitely gaming. These were the edits Assaultim made within an hour of receiving XC. I'm struggling to see the difference that makes this less obvious than the SideEffect case. Samuelshraga (talk) 18:35, 19 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Talk:Hasan Piker#removal of Piker's criticism of Gaza genocide, Zionism, Israeli government from introduction

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ECR violations by User:Bodhi Forge

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Son of Hamas

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User:The Mysterious Vishen ECGAMING

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Draft:Bisen was declined in March for violating an extended-confirmed restriction (WP:CT/SASG). Subsequently, User:The Mysterious Vishen made over 400 edits to the draft to build a huge lineage tree one entry at a time until they had just over 500 edits, then resubmitted the draft and started editing EC-protected articles such as Sainthwar. This is clear WP:ECGAMING. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:19, 27 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

The Mysterious Vishen has continued to edit Draft:Bisen and various articles (both EC-protected, such as Majhauli Raj, and non-EC) after this report. EC should be revoked. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 00:40, 29 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I have revoked EC from this user. Please see User_talk:The_Mysterious_Vishen#Extended_confirmed_user_right_revoked for my rationale. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 01:33, 29 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Zalaraz

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Request concerning Zalaraz

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement
Longewal (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 22:11, 27 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
User against whom enforcement is requested
Zalaraz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Sanction or remedy to be enforced
Wikipedia:Contentious topics/South Asia
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
  1. 22 October 2025 Zalaraz finishes the nomination for the World Herbal Encyclopedia AfD.
  2. 22 October 2025 Orientls drops a Delete vote repeating the exact same rationale less than 60 seconds later.
  3. 3 October 2025 Zalaraz edit at Today Hong Kong AfD.
  4. 3 October 2025 Orientls edit at the exact same AfD exactly 6 seconds later.
  5. 29 March 2025 Zalaraz talk page edit at Dhurandhar: The Revenge.
  6. 29 March 2025 Orientls talk page edit overlapping within 45 seconds.
  7. 25 March 2026 Zalaraz reverting an editor on Dhurandhar main article.
  8. 25 March 2026 Orientls tag-teaming to revert on Dhurandhar main article within 60 seconds of Zalaraz.
  9. 28 May 2026 Orientls restores an older version on Garba (dance) after days of the article being stable.
  10. 28 May 2026 Zalaraz arrives within 2 minutes to fix a spelling error in Orientls's restore.
  11. 29 May 2026 Zalaraz restores again to avoid the 2-revert rule.
  12. Evidence compilation by User:Gotitbro showing 8 more instances of coordinated overlap on CT topics.
  13. Archive 372 User:UnpetitproleX documenting a solid case regarding this exact coordination.
Diffs of relevant warnings or restrictions, if any


Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I am reporting a pattern of coordinated editing between Zalaraz (talk · contribs) and Orientls (talk · contribs). This coordination is being used to tag-team AfDs and circumvent strict revert-rules on CTOP pages. To avoid redundant filing, I am keeping this report in Zalaraz name, but this concerns Orientls too. I have notified both about this filing.

While there is ample interaction data indicating coordination, the clearest proof is their interaction times on AfDs and article reverts.

Editing the same page within exactly 6 seconds of each other (Today Hong Kong AfD), formulating matching AfD rationales in under 60 seconds (World Herbal Encyclopedia), or tag-teaming to revert editors on CTOP articles within 60 seconds (Dhurandhar) shows a clear circumvention of dispute resolution and edit-warring policies.

Given the timestamp evidence of coordination being used to skew AfDs and circumvent edit-warring restrictions, I request administrators review this pattern and apply appropriate sanctions.

Disclosure:

— Longewal (talk) 22:11, 27 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

@Red-tailed hawk: Valid question. I chose AE because of repeated CTOP violations, which were bypassed by tag-teaming. My goal is to address that behavioral issue supported by timestamp evidence, which I think would be better suited for a review here by admins, rather than a technical CheckUser request at SPI. That was the thought process. — Longewal (talk) 14:08, 29 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Note to admins: Zalaraz's latest comment misrepresents Black Kite's reply to UnpetitproleX.
Black Kite's response clarified (and rightly so) that introducing diffs of Orientls and Zalaraz's coordination into an AE report about my conduct was unrelated.
In fact, Black Kite had clarified earlier: “If you want to start an AE case about Orientls and/or Zalaraz (who is completely irrelevant to this case), then start a new one”.
So, Zalaraz's claim that this is "re-litigating," and that admins “rejected” the evidence already is not accurate.
— Longewal (talk) 21:00, 30 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Red-tailed hawk: - The diffs and descriptions provide a clear case of tag-teaming but if you're looking for a smoking gun it's their activity at the AfD for World Herbal Encyclopedia where Zalaraz finishes the nomination and here, and then somehow, within less than a minute, Orientls finds the brand new AfD page and drops a Delete vote here repeating the same rationale. No normal independent editor finds a newly created AfD and formulates a vote in under 60 seconds without off wiki coordination. I am at capacity and cannot provide further examples right now, but perhaps @Kautilya3:, @Gotitbro:, and @UnpetitproleX: who have also documented this editing pattern earlier can add more color. Reviewing technical logs is a logical next step, though I want to clarify that I am not alleging sockpuppetry, but meatpuppetry. — Longewal (talk) 20:08, 11 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested


Discussion concerning Zalaraz

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Statement by Zalaraz

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The difs here have been cited in a grossly misleading manner. Let me refute the cited diffs one by one:

  • Diff 1 & 2 involving October 2025: this edit came 8 minutes after the AfD was listed across multiple AfD listings, contrary to "60 seconds later" as falsely claimed by Longewal.
  • 5, 6, 7, 8 diffs involving 26 March - 29 March on Dhurandhar: The Revenge. I edited this article since 19 March. It ranked as the most viewed article in those days. To claim that two editors were engaging in coordinating editing only because they were dealing with problematic edits together with dozen other editors is disingenuous.
  • 9, 10 and 11 diffs involving Garba (dance) - Orientls did not edit this article for the first time on May 2026 but on 15:29, 3 October 2025. This alone proves the fact that Orientls did not arrive there for the first time after me as falsely implied by Longewal but was already editing the page for a long time. However, Longewal edited this article for the first time only to revert me. Similarly, Gotitbro and Unpetitprolex arrived to this article for the first time only for removing the same content as Longewal. All these 3 editors had no edits to this page ever before. It is hypocritical of Longewal to yet accuse others of "arriving".
  • Diff 10 and 11: These are just misleading diffs and blatant WP:PAs. They cannot be cited as evidence. By citing them, you are endorsing their battelground behavior and inviting sanctions for yourself especially when you had the logged warning just a few days ago. Zalaraz (talk) 04:06, 28 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Longewal is still doubling down with his false accusations.
This filing comes after Black Kite has already rejected evidence like this on the previous AE report against the filer by saying, "All your evidence shows is that there are a number of editors who agree with each other on certain CT/SA issues, but on the other hand there are a number of editors who also have the opposing view and edit in the same way as well." and telling the editor to go to SPI or ANI instead. This is simply an attempt at relitigating the same again. WP:BOOMERANG is in order, in lieu of the recent logged warning and the fact that filer narrowly escaped topic ban (proposed by Toadspike) during the last AE report. Zalaraz (talk) 07:46, 30 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
The user has now been temporarily blocked by Rosguill for edit warring by violating the enforced BRD restriction on 2025 Pahalgam attack.Zalaraz (talk) 13:52, 5 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Red-tailed hawk and Tamzin: Take a look at my response. I have already debunked the diffs provided by OP Longewal. I have been already through a different SPI. It is not rare in this area to see people accusing others of socking when they cannot win a content dispute. Now if we are really going to investigate coordinating editing, then the case of Longewal with UnpetitproleX makes actual sense. Even this report filed by Longewal significantly replicates the series of comments made by UnpetitproleX to defend Longewal during the last AE report. With so much apparent coordination, the best these users could do is not falsely accuse others of tagteaming but Longewal is still doing it even after Black Kite rejecting their claims.
Recently, Longewal was temporarily blocked by Rosguill for edit warring on 2025 Pahalgam attack, however, he is now engaging in WP:IDHT at Talk:2025 Pahalgam attack#August 2026 by repeatedly making efforts to derail the discussion about sources to discuss the veracity of the Indian government and the victims. He justifies it by saying, "Solid questions to be asked."
Significant problems also exists with this edit by him (made before block but after this report) where he wikihounded me to the page and is stating a BLP figure to have "lied" and engaged in "political deception". This issue was brought to BLPN where Longewal was pinged but made no response.
Note that these problematic edits, recent block and this baseless AE (that actually establishes his battleground mentality) comes after he was warned just 2 weeks ago. Zalaraz (talk) 01:24, 10 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

Statement by UnpetitproleX

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I had presented evidence (here and here) relating to TAGTEAM for the purpose of meatpuppeting and editwarring by some editors (likely part of a bigger group) including Zalaraz and Orientls. Zalaraz is continuously misrepresenting Black Kite, they did not "reject [my] evidence", but rather adviced me (here) to open a fresh report specific to this behaviour and these editors either here or on a different venue. Kautilya3 had initially sounded the alarm about tag teaming in that report, without naming names, but I had been observing this collusion for some time already, so I thought it pertinent to present evidence in that report.

@Red-tailed hawk and Tamzin: In addition to the above linked evidence in that report, I am adding the following:

All of the above is in addition to the collusion on Dhurandhar:The Revenge (see article timeline and article talk page timeline, see also evidence presented by me here) and on Sati (article timeline and article talk page timeline). I was going to report this (and more) evidence eventually, but now is as good a time as any. UnpetitproleX (talk) 02:55, 13 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

This request has become stale (because admin Red-tailed hawk has been inactive since their last comment here), but in case it still stands any chance of being taken up for evaluation, I am also adding the following to the evidence presented above (and below) by me and others thus far:
  • Since these editors collude to edit war on each other's behalf, they also collude to warn and drag users they edit warn with to sanctions: this and this on TryKid's talk page, this and this on Avantiputra7's talk page. The first was while the two were colluding on Dhurandhar: The Revenge, the second while colluding on Sati (evidence previously provided).
Another similar example is by Srimant ROSHAN below. A simple CU is insufficient here. UnpetitproleX (talk) 22:08, 23 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Statement by Srimant ROSHAN

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Teaming is quite alluding or should I say obvious, below more recent findings clear any doubt if this is just mere collision of interests but a broader and coordinated off-wiki canvassing and ergo CU is unhelpful for this case.

Statement by (username)

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Result concerning Zalaraz

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Never17

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Request concerning Never17

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement
BilledMammal (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 06:28, 21 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
User against whom enforcement is requested
Never17 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Sanction or remedy to be enforced
WP:ARBMJ#Never17 topic banned
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
Topic ban violations:
  1. 06:26, 8 August 2026
  2. 06:38, 8 August 2026
  3. 17:59, 10 August 2026
Diffs of relevant warnings or restrictions, if any
Additional comments by editor filing complaint
Never17, yes - you can update The Lion King, the Cursed Child, and any play not related to Michael Jackson, but those related to Jackson, including MJ the Musical, you have to leave for other editors.
This seems to be a misunderstanding on Never17's part about the nature of their topic ban; if they can understand and acknowledge that they cannot edit anything about Jackson, then I'm happy to withdraw the report. BilledMammal (talk) 07:23, 21 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

User talk:Never17#Notice of Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard discussion

Discussion concerning Never17

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Statement by Never17

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One page is directly updating sales figures provided by the RIAA and other global bodies on the List of best selling artists article, if such figures were updated for The Beatles, Queen or other legacy acts i would have updated them too but they were not.
One page is directly updating gross for all active musical theater productions using Broadway world, including adding Harry Potter and the Cursed Child's 351-357 Million gross revenue and ticket sales which was not present in the article. I updated every single active broadway production in the same edit - General All-Incompassing
One edit was directly updating sales figures on the list of best selling singles article to reflect new certifications that had been reported.
These are 1-1 direct edits using what's been reported on the global music / broadway theater production pages. Not a single one involves any edit related to any of his personal / topic area pages at all. I have not once edited those and have abided by the restrictions
a ban whose practical meaning is “never alter any MJ-related data anywhere on Wikipedia, not just outside his topic area or pages but even single incidentally during dataset-wide maintenance for generalized articles and statistics” should have been made unmistakably clear when imposed especially for a newer editor such as myself if this was true.

I'll say a example Broadway World updates box office every Tuesday for all of its active productions, most of the time this article remains outdated without updates (currently it is outdated in fact and needs a update). Are you telling me that i'm expected to update every other broadway production each week and simply leave MJ the Musical outdated in isolation? Never17 (talk) 07:19, 21 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

[Response to BilledMammal's comment:]

That should have been specified to me right from the beginning in that case, i was never aware that this ruling was that specific. As you notice i have NOT participated in any edit in his direct page series or topic area. Which means i have fully complied with those rules, i did not realize or understand that when the ruling was made that it extended to any passage in any singular article.
Since this point was made clear now, i acknowledge this ruling and understand what you meant then. I'm glad it was just now specified in detail Never17 (talk) 07:29, 21 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

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Result concerning Never17

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Cockfightermaster1969

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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by IdanST

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Istishhadia41

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Request concerning Istishhadia41

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement
Snokalok2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:50, 11 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
User against whom enforcement is requested
Istishhadia41 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Sanction or remedy to be enforced
GENSEX
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

A relatively new user, our good friend here opened a thread on the Hunter Schafer page saying that the article shouldn't refer to her as assigned male at birth or to the fact that she transitioned, because doing so is supposedly offensive. Now, those of you who know me know well my long experience covering GENSEX topics, and with that in mind this was, shall we say, an entirely new take to me but I engaged in good faith nonetheless.

Our good friend quickly brought this to RF3O, and the user that arrived proposed a new version then in compliance with our good friend's requested changes, which I quickly reiterated my opposition to. This was our good friend's reply, as though I wasn't actively arguing against their position in another part of the thread.. This was followed up by further incivility.

Since then, we've gotten the following:

Incivility, personal attacks

Incivility, Aspersions

Incivility, personal attacks

And canvassing a random editor. Snokalok2 (talk) 16:46, 11 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

EDIT: I actually retract the canvassing one, since apparently that editor instituted the disputed text originally. The rest stand Snokalok2 (talk) 17:01, 11 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Voorts I'll back away if they do Snokalok2 (talk) 18:54, 11 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Voorts Quips at each other are one thing (though I would lodge that mine were at most backhanded or passive aggressive while theirs were very open aggressive and derogatory), but there is still a page under discussion here - hence why I'm happy to mutually drop it, but if I walk away and they don't, that doesn't really help the page at all, that just means a terrible change gets implemented for the sake of avoiding a conflict. Snokalok2 (talk) 19:05, 11 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I'm not even talking about the text, I'm talking about the picture - the current picture is excellent, the proposed one is such a stark downgrade that it hits terminal velocity. Snokalok2 (talk) 19:07, 11 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Istishhadia41 i hope readers will understand how difficult it may be to remain civil when confronted with such behavior The behavior in question is me taking a few days to log on and respond, at which point you started slinging personal attacks, and when you received the slightest pushback on that, you went straight to petty insults with no conceivable purpose, including in response to genuinely good faith responses to proposed edits. This is not behavior befitting a wikipedia editor under any level of stress. Snokalok2 (talk) 21:09, 11 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Sennecaster We’ve both gone silent, I think both they and I have gotten that particular message at this point. I certainly got it after Voorts’ third comment. Snokalok2 (talk) 03:32, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@The Bushranger It’s not an ideal circumstance if you’re a girl, the context we’re speaking in is of course mtf gender transition which is, as we all know, the process of changing one’s body to align with one’s internal self in the event of a mismatch. That mismatch is not an ideal circumstance, and that’s why we have transition. Snokalok2 (talk) 19:10, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@The Bushranger I apologize for any misunderstanding I may have fostered, I assumed that the context would do more heavy lifting. Snokalok2 (talk) 19:15, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@The Bushranger I honestly don’t think they need a full block. They’re clearly a new user, new users often make these mistakes. I think just, we both drop the page and walk away, maybe at most a few day time out Snokalok2 (talk) 19:21, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply


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Discussion concerning Istishhadia41

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Statement by Istishhadia41

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your characterization of the discussion and of photos is quite unnecessary as readers will see for themselves:

it seems, very regrettably, that our friend continues to refuse to understand objections lodged on that talk page with the transphobic wording inserted by a now-banned user and in the meantime expunged by a longstanding editor in line with policy https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hunter_Schafer&diff=prev&oldid=1374340647

i regret my short-tempered conduct and off-hand remarks at the same time, i hope readers will understand how difficult it may be to remain civil when confronted with such behavior in such a connection, and with prior incivility as already noted


Dear respected administrators: belated Kirkmastide best wishes, chapeau bas for your Sisyphæan labors & thank you for your attention to this matter.

In my mind it's a false equivalence between myself and my friend. But I am obliged to you all the same that you have not insisted on the reërection of the Hitlerite edifice once borne by the page in view, i.e., that which so crassly apprised all-comers of what we two both aver is a dread judgment of Nature to fall on (and in striking to broaden) the shoulders of anyone, not least someone of Mme. Schafer's stature (oh, dear me ...)

All in sober earnest Istishhadia41 (talk) 09:50, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

no, please don't, i have a number of subjects i mean to write articles on, but i always feel myself so swamped,
sorry, i went really overboard Istishhadia41 (talk) 11:52, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Traumnovelle
pushing a fringe idea
wrong
(that domestic cats are not obligate carnivores and do not require taurine)
wrong and false dichotomy !!!
i even explained it in the edit summary: the statement that cats are obligate carnivores must be qualified, because it bears only on cats in the wild
see for yourself: Carnivore#Obligate carnivore
look at the ingredients of your carnist cat food and i promise you'll see taurine, meaning that it was added separately
taurine can be and is synthesized from plant sources
He is clearly a troll
not supported by facts in evidence
p.s. WP:BEBOLD and try another set of pronouns if you want and maybe you'll be the first person here to get it right :)))))
i couldn't have imagined that the necessary inference would prove such a hard one to draw under the circumstances Istishhadia41 (talk) 23:08, 23 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Statement by Brynn Who Likes Editing

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I am an uninvolved editor who wants to share my take. WP:NEGOTIATE uses Graham's hierarchy of disagreement and says you should aim for the top.

Both Snokalok2 and Istishhadia41 were only using the top three rungs in the morning (UTC) of 8 September.

Then Snokalok used Contradiction, the fourth top rung.

Istish then used the fourth top rung here.

A few replies later, Snolalok said something that could maybe be construed as the fifth rung, Responding to tone.

Istish responded with something that's definitely either fifth or sixth rung, sixth rung being Ad hominem.

Snokalok replied, saying a "side note" that IMO falls under the sixth rung since it's a litmus test designed to question Istish's political and ethical beliefs.

Istish then seemingly cast WP:ASPERSIONS.

Later, Istish says something on fifth rung, may be sixth rung even.

In another sub-discussion, Snokalok says something on fourth rung. Istish then says something bordering fifth rung.

This comment by Snokalok implies something that could be sixth-rung level with the "I highly recommend it".

Istish makes an unambiguously sixth-rung move.

A few replied later, Snokalok says a sixth-rung recommendation.

Soon, Istish made a retort on the seventh rung, Name-calling. Someone else removed that retort as a courtesy. (This seventh rung is not on WP:NEGOTIATE but is on Graham's hierarchy of disagreement.) Snokalok made a provocative reply but promptly removed it.

Admins and uninvolved users, please check this. In solidarity, Brynn Who Likes Editing | talk w/ me! 15:54, 13 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

@Voorts, The Bushranger, Sennecaster, and CoconutOctopus: This thread seems inactive but unresolved. Can you guys continue to pick up this case to make a resolution? I personally oppose CoconutOctopus's idea of a NOTHERE block because Istish has made productive edits over a variety of topics—I checked their user contribs. In solidarity, Brynn Who Likes Editing | talk w/ me! 13:35, 22 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Traumnovelle: You calling them a "he" just because they have a male symbol on their userbox is unnecessary assumption, especially when they said they're a shoulderhon. Calling them a "troll" because parts of their gender identity don't make sense to you is forgetting the principle of assume good faith. In solidarity, Brynn Who Likes Editing | talk w/ me! 03:41, 24 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Statement by Traumnovelle

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This user came to my attention through using misleading edit summaries and pushing a fringe idea (that domestic cats are not obligate carnivores and do not require taurine). On their userpage he has an infobox that has the male gender symbol and states 'This user is a shoulderhon.', which links to wiktionary and has this definition: '(4chan /lgbt/ slang, derogatory) A trans woman who is clockable due to having significantly broader shoulders than a typical cis woman.'

He is clearly a troll, I hope Arbcom do not waste time with a topic ban that will just redirect his attention to other areas of the encyclopaedia. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:56, 23 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Result concerning Istishhadia41

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Both of you should back away from this dispute. You are both being uncivil to each other. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:56, 11 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Snokalok2: you could also choose to be the bigger person here instead of insisting on a game of chicken. voorts (talk/contributions) 18:59, 11 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I'm inclined to informally warn both editors to remain civil at this point. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:00, 12 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Let's just formally warn both editors. I'm not inclined to block anyone at this point. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:20, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Both of you need to tone it down with the snark. @Snokalok2: our good friend @Istishhadia41: our friend - this sarcastic tone and $2 will get you a cup of coffee, but do it enough and you won't get the jitters, you'll get a block. Civility is not optional. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:56, 11 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Istishhadia41: Do not edit other peoples' comments as you did here. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:58, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I would also lean towards a block, or at least a very stern warning, to Istishhadia41 for that...whatever that is they thought was a good way of phrasing things up there. That said, the link they link to in it does show pretty disgusting sexism on Snokalok2's part as well. I can perhaps understand what was meant, but the phrasing is...sheesh. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:58, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Snokalok2: That is what I assumed you probably meant, and that's an entirely reasonable thing to say. The problem is that is not what you said. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:13, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
That's fair. Still support a stern warning/block for Istishhadia 41. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:17, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Boutboul

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Appealing user
Boutboul (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Sanction being appealed
Indefinite block imposed on 25 August 2026 to enforce the Palestine-Israel articles arbitration decision, for LLM usage and for recidivism after a last-chance lifting of a PIA topic ban (block notice, archived AE request)
Administrator imposing the sanction
Sennecaster (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
Notification of that administrator
Special:Diff/1375194191 (notified by Newslinger)

Statement by Boutboul

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I ask for the block to be lifted.

I could not answer earlier because I was busy.

Most of the errors were in my drafts, and many of the accusations are not mistakes at all.

I prepare a part of my work offline, then I paste it in my draft section by section and I look at what the wikicode gives. A few went to the article, usually for some minutes, and I fixed them when I saw them.

The image is not invented. fr:Fichier:Syna Abravanel Claustra.JPG really exists on the French Wikipedia. I could not use it here because it is not on Commons, and ScottishFinnishRadish said the same. The DOI is not invented either, Newslinger looked again and found it in the open access version.

Regarding the URL with %5C: it was already in the article Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development before I started, and it is still there today. When I started the French draft on 28 June, the server still answered with this address.

Regarding a second non-existent citation URL and third non-existent citation URL: there was no link there before, I only added working links. I am not sure I understand the concern here. And the URL still works now, even if it is not perfect, since it redirects to the new address. BTW, a human can see that it works easily but not a LLM or a tool.

The Chronologie template, I thought it existed, so I tried it in my draft. Isn't the sandbox made for that?

The ISBN is a real mistake of mine. I copied it badly offline, and I removed it a few minutes later.

For the GWU report, in the URL I used the long title: hamas-network-america-short-history instead of the short one hamas-networks-america. The rest of the address is correct.

For the red categories, I work like this. I write the name that seems logical to me. If it is red I change it or I take it out. It goes faster than searching the category tree before.

Palestine Committee was a red link on purpose. After it was deleted, another editor put back a red link to the same subject himself.

For Kevin Chalker, I simply did not want to answer, because I believed there was no reason to answer. Next time I will.

I am not a native English speaker, and yes, I used an LLM to translate and improve comments that I had written myself. I understand now that this is why my comments look like a machine wrote them. From now on I will only use it to translate.

But I did not use and I don't use LLM on the mainspace since LLM use was banned in mainspace.

The block also talks about my editing of the Philadelphia meeting article. I cannot answer this in the same 500 words. Can the reviewing administrator let me go over the limit? Michael Boutboul (talk) 08:20, 13 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Statement by Sennecaster

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What I said after placing the block and boutboul protested on his talk page. This block was not only for the LLM usage but for an article and behavior incompatible with collegiate and high quality CTOP participation after being given a last chance lifting of a topic ban. I'm currently convinced that this block is still necessary.

I initially placed this as an individual administrator action but it's been endorsed by User:Moneytrees and was initially suggested by Newslinger. because I don't feel like ending up at ARCA for a procedural mistake while I am at a destructive level of burnout from AE, is this considered by AE consensus or individual admin action? (please do not ping on reply) Sennecaster (Chat) 16:49, 16 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Statement by Newslinger

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I closed the enforcement request, and recommend this appeal be declined. Boutboul's explanation of including nonexistent category names in article creations ( ) and the invalid URL https://extremism.gwu.edu/hamas-network-america-short-history because he had guessed them incorrectly is less plausible than Boutboul using an LLM to generate these articles, especially considering his prior history of LLM misuse (which his description downplays; see his LLM-generated ArbCom case request with numerous incorrect links and LLM-generated bludgeoning on Talk:Zionism). No reasonable editor would guess the URL of an article from its title instead of copying and pasting the URL into the citation.

Boutboul didn't address how he copied and pasted article creations in chunks from top to bottom from an external location, one edit at a time: . Creating an LLM-generated article on the French Wikipedia () and then using an LLM to translate it to the English Wikipedia () is just as unacceptable as using an LLM to create the article in English. Boutboul's addition of a nonexistent "See also" link () violates MOS:NOTSEEALSO, which makes intentional addition less likely; his counterexample didn't add the link to "See also". — Newslinger talk 12:37, 16 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

After closing the enforcement request, I logged the block as "supported by a rough consensus of administrators at AE" (cf. WP:CTOPAPPEALS). — Newslinger talk 17:10, 16 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
On 14 September, the French Wikipedia implemented its guideline prohibiting generative AI use in articles and discussions by a vote of 104 to 2 (for articles) and 90 to 5 (for discussions). In the survey to implement the guideline, Boutboul was one of the two editors who opposed prohibiting generative AI use in articles; Boutboul disclosed that his comment in opposition (comment link) was assisted by Claude Opus 5. Based on this, it's likely that Boutboul has also been using Claude for his LLM misuse on the English Wikipedia. — Newslinger talk 11:11, 19 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Statement by (involved editor 2)

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Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Boutboul

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Statement by (uninvolved editor 1)

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Statement by (uninvolved editor 2)

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Result of the appeal by Boutboul

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  • Boutboul, you've just used 400+ of the 500 words you're allowed to address things that aren't actually the primary cause of your block, which is for misusing a large language model within WP:CT/A-I and other topic areas, despite previous sanctions and warnings. Competence issues were also discussed in the case, but you weren't blocked as an Arbitration Enforcement action for competence issues. I'd suggest you ask for this appeal to be closed unactioned and go ask for advice at your talk. Valereee (talk) 11:06, 16 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • I concur with Valereee. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 18:47, 17 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Wikiejd2

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Request concerning Wikiejd2

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement
FDW777 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:52, 22 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
User against whom enforcement is requested
Wikiejd2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Sanction or remedy to be enforced
Wikipedia:Contentious topics/The Troubles
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
  1. 13:25, 16 September 2026 Restores content originally added to the article in this series of edits in April, which was removed in part less than 12 hours later
  2. 17:14, 16 September 2026 Restores content from previous diff without discussion
  3. 17:40, 16 September 2026 Restores content from previous diff without discussion despite being informed about WP:ONUS and that it's a WP:TROUBLES article, claiming Please be careful not to violate WP:3RR. Your opinion is not a consensus, but me joining in on the previous editor rather creates one, don't you think? It's not a contentious edit, nor a bold one. Her mother married Oswald Mosley's brother. Why do you want to hide that?
  4. 15:32, 22 September 2026 Restores content from previous diff without discussion claiming No idea what most of your comment was trying to say. I'm un-doing this revert to protect an edit that has consensus by numerous editors
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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I have no idea how content that was in the article for less than 12 hours in April can possibly be assumed to have consensus for inclusion.

FDW77 reverts back in April an edit made by another editor that said that Rose Dugdale married Oswald Mosley's brother. Admittedly, the formatting was poor, but this should have been corrected, not removed. What? There is the edit being referred to. I removed part of the Mosley addition stating biographical details about people not actually related to Dugdale are of zero relevance. I made my reason for the removal of the text quite clear. Formatting was never mentioned at all, or even alluded to. FDW777 (talk) 12:52, 24 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified


Discussion concerning Wikiejd2

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Statement by Wikiejd2

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Edit: I'm removed restoring my previous statement, (what I retracted is below in strikeout). Apologies, I was away from PC access.

I'm happy to discuss the notability of who Rose Dugdale is related to on the talk page, if that's what the outcome should be.

(ie her link to another famous person, Oswald Mosley - which I think is notable for readers as it provides another example that Dugdale's family background was very conservative & British, which obviously contrasts with her own politics.)

I should have brought the discussion to the talk page immediately when the edit-warring began. I'll do that in future.

I thought I was restoring content that was relevant to the article and posted in WP:GOODFAITH by another editor. I apologise that I didn't bring the discussion to the talk page sooner.

RETRACTED:

Edit 2: Seeing as FDW77 didn't fully explain what I did that FDW77 has taken offence to, I'll paste it here. Edit 3: I forgot to even recap what this is all about, apologies. This is all in relation to the article Rose Dugdale, specifically one sentence in the section "Early Life and education".

My edit: "Her mother, Caroline Edith Sutton "Carol" Mosley (née Timmis), was firstly married to John Arthur Noel Mosley (brother of British fascist leader Oswald Mosley) with whom she had two sons, Dugdale's elder half-brothers, Timothy John Oswald Mosley and Simon James Mosley."

FDW77's preferred version: the same as above, with "(brother of British fascist leader Oswald Mosley)" removed.

It's one sentence in total that FDW77 has taken offence to. For some reason, they think the complete middle names of Rose Dugdale's parents is relevant to the article, but not who the uncle of her half-siblings was.

Editor FDW77 is taking advantage of the fact that Troubles articles have arbitration processes to bring a petty grievance to the table. They really don't want the fact included that Rose Dugdale's mother was married to Oswald Mosley's brother. That's ludicrous to start edit warring about that.

How can FDW77 possibly think that simple family connections need a consensus to include? Many Wikipedia biographies include many more family links than this article does. Is it because it is Oswald Mosley, the leader of the British fascist party? I'm bamboozled.

The onus should be on FDW77 to prove that it's not of interest to the article, because they decided to revert an edit made to the article in good faith by another editor (not me) back in April.

Just because someone reverts your revert doesn't mean you should take personal offence to it.

Chain of events:

FDW77 reverts back in April an edit made by another editor that said that Rose Dugdale married Oswald Mosley's brother. Admittedly, the formatting was poor, but this should have been corrected, not removed.

I noticed this wrongful revert was made, so I edited the article to restore the earlier version. My edit included the comment: "it is of interest to the section (early life) to note that Dugdale's half-brothers are nephews of Oswald Mosley".

FDW77 reverts this within twenty minutes with the comment: "rv. Mosley connection adequately covered by existing text" ↵Edit 1: I don't believe this is true. As I explain in my revert comment (all part of the discussion that FDW77 falsely claims I wasn't having), most readers don't have Oswald Mosley's siblings' names memorised. Why wouldn't it be of interest to readers to know that this famous notable woman's mother was married to another famous notable man's brother?

Contrary to FDW77 false claim that I made my next edit without discussion, I reverted their revert with the comment: "Previous version didn't adequately explain the Oswald Mosley connection, for readers who are unaware of Oswald Mosely's siblings names"

Contrary to FDW77's second false claim I made my next edit without discussion, I informed FDW77 of WP:3RR as they were in danger of violating it after two rapid reverts. I said: "Please be careful not to violate WP:3RR. Your opinion is not a consensus, but me joining in on the previous editor rather creates one, don't you think? It's not a contentious edit, nor a bold one. Her mother married Oswald Mosley's brother. Why do you want to hide that?"

The next day, editor Remember Bombay Street reverted my revert with the comment: "revert contentious edit attempted to add guilt by association when there was no association ever. Verifiability doesn't guarantee inclusion, especially when it's been removed" ↵I'm still not sure what Bombay Street is on about. Are they trying to say I'm tainting Rose Dugdale's name? Not in the slightest. I don't believe that makes her "guilty" at all, in fact the opposite. She rose above her family's background.

Anyways, this is strange to bring this to an process like this, when it's literally one sentence with one biographical fact. It's true, it's verified and it's sourced. It's not contentious, and shouldn't require WP:ONUS.

Wikiejd2 (talk) 15:59, 29 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Statement by Darkfrog24

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Edit 1: So Wjd2 calls Oswald Mosley a fascist when maybe it's not fully necessary. Had there been a consensus to not do that or is this just an edit? (OM's Wikipedia page calls him a fascist.) Edit2: ...Oh, I see. All four difs are Wikiejd2 restoring the parenthetical "(brother of British fascist leader Oswald Mosley)" with its source tag.

The issue here seems to be that FDW777 and Wikiejd2 disagree about whether there is consensus to keep this line in the article or not. This can be resolved by an RfC on the article's talk page. "Does this line [quote] belong in the article?" would probably do for neutral text. Be sure to follow WP:CANVASS when publicizing. Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:10, 23 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Statement by (username)

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Result concerning Wikiejd2

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  • So what I'm getting from this is that the dispute is over content in an article that relates to who someone who is, in fact, not the subject of the article married, thus making the person the disputed content refers to is twice removed from the actual subject of the article? Especially given that on Dugdale's page John Arthur Noel Mosley's name is piped to the section of Oswald's page where he's mentioned this strikes me as rather unnecessary and basically inserted for the point of going "look, look what a bad person, see how bad". Also @Wikiejd2: The onus should be on FDW77 to prove that it's not of interest to the article, because they decided to revert an edit made to the article in good faith by another editor (not me) back in April. - no, that's not how WP:ONUS works. You want to include content that is (a) disputed and (b) was never stable in the article. The onus for inclusion is on you. It's not contentious, The fact it's being edit-warred over to the point it's at AE establishes that it is, in fact, contentious, Q.E.D., and you are the one contending it. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:22, 23 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Wikiejd2: Your previous comment should remain, as it was responded to. You can strike it out if you desire, <s>using the code like so</s>, to indicate you no longer wish it to be considered. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:03, 24 September 2026 (UTC)Reply