Talk:Wairarapa Line
Add topicLatest comment: 1 year ago by Pppery in topic Requested move 24 May 2025
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Requested move 24 May 2025
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move * Pppery * it has begun... 01:00, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
Wairarapa Line → Wairarapa line – For this line, sources don't usually cap "line". See books and news. Dicklyon (talk) 22:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 10:59, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: No opinion on this, but please consider all other railway lines both in Wellington and in New Zealand as a whole as they're all similar articles in the same or similar categories as this article. Fork99 (talk) 04:27, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Definitely, though I tend to start small with things I stumble on. In many countries, X line and X branch aren't capped, but in New Zealand they mostly are so far. I don't see support for that in sources, in cases I've looked at. Dicklyon (talk) 05:01, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Please don't "start small" but maybe pick the most viewed article that fits the intent of this RM and close this one. This was done at the comma discussions years ago where "starting small" created a long list of RM's before reaching the most recognized article. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:15, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Is there a most recognized railway line in New Zealand? I've run into this one in various places. Dicklyon (talk) 14:36, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- My guess is that the most recognised / busiest line is North Island Main Trunk, which unfortunately does not contain "Line". Thereafter, I'd go for Main North Line, New Zealand. Schwede66 03:00, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- "Main North Line" is pretty often "main North line" and "Main North line" and "main north line" in sources. So yes, maybe we should work on that next. The other is less common in n-grams, but I do see "North Island main trunk" in sources. Dicklyon (talk) 04:51, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with Randy. The most viewed seems (by far) to be North Island Main Trunk with 4,307 views in past 90 days. Next is Main South Line with 1,671, and North Auckland Line with 1,657. (Main North Line, New Zealand is no more than 10th on the list.) But either of the two starting with "Main" would be fine, especially if evidence and discussion cover use in running text, as Dick's prelim look does. Nurg (talk) 03:01, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- Also "North Island Main Truck" was always capped in the old days, and is only recently seeing significant lowercasing of "main trunk". Treating that as a proper name is rather different from capping "Line", which is much more often lowercase in sources, that I wouldn't think that's a logical alternative place to start. The "Main" ones would be good to take on together, as n-grams suggest they are over-capitalized here. I'd have to first investigate whether some of those are not referring to the New Zealand lines. And the n-grams for North Auckland Line are quite peculiar; must investigate. Dicklyon (talk) 15:33, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with Randy. The most viewed seems (by far) to be North Island Main Trunk with 4,307 views in past 90 days. Next is Main South Line with 1,671, and North Auckland Line with 1,657. (Main North Line, New Zealand is no more than 10th on the list.) But either of the two starting with "Main" would be fine, especially if evidence and discussion cover use in running text, as Dick's prelim look does. Nurg (talk) 03:01, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- "Main North Line" is pretty often "main North line" and "Main North line" and "main north line" in sources. So yes, maybe we should work on that next. The other is less common in n-grams, but I do see "North Island main trunk" in sources. Dicklyon (talk) 04:51, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- My guess is that the most recognised / busiest line is North Island Main Trunk, which unfortunately does not contain "Line". Thereafter, I'd go for Main North Line, New Zealand. Schwede66 03:00, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- Is there a most recognized railway line in New Zealand? I've run into this one in various places. Dicklyon (talk) 14:36, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Please don't "start small" but maybe pick the most viewed article that fits the intent of this RM and close this one. This was done at the comma discussions years ago where "starting small" created a long list of RM's before reaching the most recognized article. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:15, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Definitely, though I tend to start small with things I stumble on. In many countries, X line and X branch aren't capped, but in New Zealand they mostly are so far. I don't see support for that in sources, in cases I've looked at. Dicklyon (talk) 05:01, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support per WP:NCCAPS, MOS:CAPS and evidence provided. Cinderella157 (talk) 06:50, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose. As any decision might be cited as a kind of precedent for other NZ railway line articles, and as Dick seems amenable to the suggestion that it would be better to start with one or more of the highly viewed articles, it would be good to close this request with no finding for or against, and leave it to Dick (or any editor) to open a fresh request for such highly viewed articles. (At this point, I have not formed an opinion for or against actual moves.) Nurg (talk) 01:26, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
- No, I'm not up for that. This is a sufficiently well known line and popular article to start with, and nobody has proposed one that is similar. We can open some others, too, but that's a reason to punt on this one. Dicklyon (talk) 06:16, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
- I went ahead and started another RM at Talk:North Island Main Trunk#Requested move 1 June 2025, which is similar but different. Dicklyon (talk) 17:28, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Trains and WikiProject New Zealand Railways have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPathtalk 10:59, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
Oppose. It is the name of a particular railway line, it isn't a line in Wairarapa, but it is called Wairarapa Line and as such it should be capitalised. TurboSuperA+(connect) 09:01, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.