Talk:Turkic peoples

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Nifushi, the WP:Secondary part of the source clearly says (bolding mine): Most linguists and historians agree that Proto-Turkic, the common ancestor of all ancient and contemporary Turkic languages, must have been spoken somewhere in Central-East Asia

Your change introduces WP:OR for Uchiyama et al. Bogazicili (talk) 21:30, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

Also not sure if study.com is WP:RS Bogazicili (talk) 21:31, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

You have also introduced WP:OR for Yunusbayev et al , which says (bolding mine): The origin and early dispersal history of the Turkic peoples is disputed, with candidates for their ancient homeland ranging from the Transcaspian steppe to Manchuria in Northeast Asia

Ranging from Trans-Caspia to Manchuria is not only "Northeastern China" Bogazicili (talk) 21:34, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

Majority of the claims were in modern-day Mongolia and Manchuria.

Do you want me to write "Ranging starts from Transcaspian steppe..." which is widely rejected by all modern linguists and claimed by 19-20th century linguists? Nifushi (talk) 21:43, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

What is the source for that? Bogazicili (talk) 21:45, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

of whaf? Rejection of transcaspian steppes or Regions of Mongolia/Manchuria? Nifushi (talk) 21:48, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

source for which is widely rejected by all modern linguists and claimed by 19-20th century linguists Bogazicili (talk) 21:50, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

Transcaspian steppe as one among multiple possible origins comes from the PLOS Genetics article on the genetic legacy of Turkic expansion. Only modern source mentioning Trans-Caspian steppe belongs to this author. You can see weird rejected origin theories in Turanian languages. Transcaspian steppe inhabited by Iranian tribes such as Sogdians prior to Gokturk expansion and there is no Turkic presence prior to Xiongnu. If cutting this WPOR I should stop using this website. If you have any other modern author mentioning Trans-Caspian steppe share it with me. Nifushi (talk) 22:04, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

I am not sure, I don't have the time to do a detailed search right now. Transcaspian steppe wasn't in the lead before your changes, and is also not currently in the lead.

I am not sure what you are trying to change in the lead though. Maybe you can make a suggestion in the talk page, if you are still planning changes. Bogazicili (talk) 16:41, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

Thought Uchiyama at el. wasn't [[WP:OR]] to be honest. I'm pretty sure I saw it many times before in different articles but since it is particularly about [[Altaic languages]] which is controversial between linguists and rejected in Wikipedia. My apologies Nifushi (talk) 21:38, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

Latest numbers in the Turkic population

In the latest numbers given by UNESCO, it was announced that the population of Turkic people is 200+ Million. Can you make the necessary corrections?

https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000396088 Skywolves (talk) 13:11, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

The reference says Turkic languages have more than 200M speakers, not Turkic people. Joseph (talk) 16:12, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Ah I see. Thank you for your time joseph. Skywolves (talk) 15:27, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Hephthalites, Huna, and Kidarites

@Turkiishh: First, if you don't know anything about piped links and redirects, then you need to read WP:NOPIPEDLINK, MOS:NOPIPE, and WP:NOTBROKEN. Reverting my edit is MOS violation. Now let's review your additions:

• How is Hephthalites related to this? Inserting a so-called Hunnic group to prove what?
• Your second edit: Huna people says: "Gerald Larson suggests that the Hunas were a Turkic-Mongolic grouping from Central Asia." You know, what it means? It is just a theory (uncertain origin). How did you interpret it as "Historical Turkic groups"? And where is the part that says Kidarites were Turkic? --Mann Mann (talk) 05:21, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

Your edits are pov-pushing and are against WP:WEIGHT. As I told you on your talk page, you can add them to any section about "related historical groups" but with clarification and neutral wording. What you did is just representing them as confirmed historical Turkic peoples which is pure WP:OR and your personal opinion. --Mann Mann (talk) 05:21, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran and Kansas Bear: Could you take a look at the entries of Historical Turkic groups (after the table) and this part "Possible Proto-Turkic ancestry..."? Also while his edit was not really neutral, I think a sourced clarification about Hephthalites and other Hunnic peoples would be helpful to prevent future problematic edits. --Mann Mann (talk) 03:07, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

Here's what I found:

• Encyclopedia Britannica. Turkic peoples. --Tertiary source, linked article is an extremely generalized version of "Turkic peoples" that doesn't mention Avars, Huns, or Xiongnu.
• Pritsak O. & Golb. N: Khazarian Hebrew Documents of the Tenth Century, Ithaca: Cornell Univ. Press, 1982. --no page number, unviewable, unverifiable
• "Timur Archived 2013-09-22 at the Wayback Machine", The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, 2001–05, Columbia University Press. -- Tertiary source, linked archive article is about Timur, no mention of Avars, Huns, or Xiongnu
• Encyclopædia Britannica article: Consolidation & expansion of the Indo-Timurids, Online Edition, 2007. --Tertiary source, linked article makes no mention of Avars, Huns, or Xiongnu
• Walton, Linda (2013). World History: Journeys from Past to Present. Routledge. p. 210. ISBN 978-1-135-08828-6. --doesn't support anything to do with proto-Turkic
• Peter Benjamin Golden, (1992), An Introduction to the History of the Turkic Peoples, p. 110 -says the Avars spoke Common Turkic, even stating they may have adopted Turkic, but nothing about their origins.

I would remove all the above references. Such claims need to have reliable secondary sources. --Kansas Bear (talk) 13:52, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

Request to correct nonstandard plural “Kyrgyzes” to “Kyrgyz”

Change "Kyrgyzes" to "Kyrgyz" (English demonym is invariant; plural does not take -es/-s). Yusseter (talk) 21:08, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

 Done Day Creature (talk) 21:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 February 2026

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