Talk:Ted Lieu

Where did Ted Lieu actually go to college?

The body of the article says he attended Stanford an undergraduate, and then Georgetown for a law degree. The sidebar summary says he went to Harvard and then Michigan. His congressional bio says Stanford/Georgetown, agreeing with the body of the article. 47.184.236.7 (talk) 20:20, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Family background

Why isn't there any information in this article about Lieu's parents, or family background in general? That's not very encyclopedic. Please fix. 98.123.38.211 (talk) 15:13, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

https://www.rosehills.com/obituaries/whittier-ca/george-lieu-%E5%8A%89%E5%A4%A9%E6%93%8E-12800197 ~2026-33078-30 (talk) 03:46, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Ted lieu parents are from china

His family fled china in 1949 to taiwan. So therefore he and his family is technically consider waishengren and not benshengren. He is of chinese ethnicity not Taiwanese ~2026-33078-30 (talk) 03:50, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

You still aren’t adding any form of reliable sources. You’re just adding it. Stuff from Ancestry or another genealogy website, nor obituaries are reliable. Be sure to be reading the notes left on both your talk page and edit history on this page, instead of adding it right back.

if you keep doing so without effectively resolving the issue, you could be given an edit warring warning. JLN2026 (talk) 13:48, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Ted lieu can't claim he and his parents are of Taiwanese orgins. This needs to change to Chinese orgins or from china. Here is the explanation “Ted Lieu’s parents were immigrants from mainland China who later settled in Taiwan. They are ethnically Chinese and belong to the waishengren (mainlander‑origin) community, not the benshengren (native Taiwanese) population.”

This is neutral, factual, and uses the correct Taiwanese sociological terms.

“Correcting parental origins: they were mainland Chinese immigrants to Taiwan (waishengren), not native Taiwanese (benshengren).”

“See Taiwanese American Archives biography of Ted Lieu’s family background.” Or any reputable biography noting his family immigrated from China to Taiwan.

You can't claim to be someone your not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waishengren

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benshengren

~2026-33078-30 (talk) 03:49, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Cannot use Taiwanese references in this context you have to change Taiwanese in this article to chinese.

Factual Biographical Summary: The 1969–1972 Transitional Diaspora

The biographical categorization of individuals born in Taipei during the late 1960s who subsequently immigrated to the United States in the early 1970s—such as U.S. Congressman Ted Lieu—involves distinct layers of international law, state nomenclature, and internal sociology that differ significantly from modern 21st-century frameworks.

1. Legal and State Nomenclature (1969–1972) From a strict legal and bureaucratic standpoint, individuals born in Taipei in March 1969 were issued birth certificates by the Republic of China (ROC). At that time, the state apparatus ruling the island did not officially utilize the name "Taiwan" for international diplomacy or state sovereignty; the island was designated as the Taiwan Province of the ROC. When these families immigrated to the United States in 1972, they traveled under Republic of China passports. Under the geopolitical realities of 1972, the United States State Department officially recognized the ROC as the sole legitimate government of China. Consequently, on all contemporaneous U.S. immigration, legal, and census documentation, their country of origin was classified as China, rendering them logistically and legally Chinese Americans.

2. International Treaties and Sovereignty Loopholes The international legal status of the territory itself during this period is rooted in two foundational conflicts that left its ultimate sovereignty technically unresolved: The Treaty of Shimonoseki (1895) permanently severed the island from the Qing Dynasty, ceding it to the Empire of Japan. The post-WWII Treaty of San Francisco (1951) saw Japan formally renounce all titles and claims to the island. However, the treaty intentionally omitted naming a recipient sovereign nation. As a result of this omission, the de facto ROC government occupied a territory of "undetermined sovereignty" under international law, maintaining a wartime capital in Taipei while claiming to represent the entirety of the Chinese mainland.

3. Sociological Demographics: Waishengren vs. Benshengren Sociologically, the cohort that fled the Chinese Civil War in 1949 to settle on the island is defined as Waishengren (Mainlanders), distinguishing them from the native Benshengren (local Taiwanese who lived through the Japanese colonial era). During the White Terror and Martial Law eras (which spanned the late 1960s and early 1970s), the ruling Waishengren elite maintained a strict, state-enforced Chinese identity centered around the political directive to eventually reclaim the mainland. The ROC government actively suppressed localized regionalism; speaking the local Hokkien dialect was penalized in schools, and advocating for an independent "Taiwanese" identity was treated as a seditious act.

4. Ideological Conclusion and the Context of Modern Branding When these immigrant families boarded flights to the United States in 1972, the concept of identifying as "Taiwanese-American" was entirely foreign to their worldview. As members of the Waishengren ruling class during the martial law era, they left the island as elite citizens of the Republic of China, operating under the firm conviction that their heritage, their passports, and their long-term futures belonged inherently to the broader historical trajectory of China. Consequently, the retrospective application of the term "Taiwanese Americans" to this specific cohort does not reflect the legal, cultural, or psychological reality of their departure; rather, it is the result of modern, revisionist political branding that emerged decades later as the political landscape on the island transformed.

Here are the direct Wikipedia links for the foundational historical, legal, and sociological points we discussed, which you can use as references:

Treaties and Sovereignty The 1895 Cession of Taiwan: Treaty of Shimonoseki — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Shimonoseki

The Post-WWII Peace Treaty (Undetermined Sovereignty): Treaty of San Francisco — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco

The Legal Theory of Taiwan's Status: Theory of the Undetermined Status of Taiwan — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_the_Undetermined_Status_of_Taiwan

Sociological Demographics The Mainland Immigrant Cohort (Ted Lieu's Parents' Demographic): Waishengren — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waishengren

The Local Taiwanese Population: Benshengren — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benshengren

The Political Era (1969–1972) The Period of Enforced Military Rule: Martial Law in Taiwan — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law_in_Taiwan

The Era of Political Dissident Suppression: White Terror (Taiwan) — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan

The National Directive to Retake the Mainland: Project National Glory (The KMT's official military plan to reclaim China) — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_National_Glory

State Entities and Diaspora Labels The Official State Name in 1969: Republic of China (1912–1949) (Note: This historical page addresses the regime that relocated to Taipei) — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_(1912%E2%80%931949

The Legal/Logistical Identity upon Arrival in 1972: Chinese Americans — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Americans The Modern

Retrospective Label: Taiwanese Americans — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_Americans

~2026-33078-30 (talk) 07:21, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Everything above this reads like it was generated by an LLM and is WP:OR. We have plenty of sources that support the "Taiwanese" descriptor, which include Lieu's own congressional website. Jay-Wiki (talk) 04:47, 23 July 2026 (UTC)