Talk:Subtropical cyclone

Todo

More sources. Jdorje 22:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Quick comment. I think there should be more info on subtropical cyclones outside of the Atlantic basin. After all, Meteo-France in the SWIO officially uses the term, and surely there are other similar types of storms elsewhere around the world (other than the Kona storms, which are already mentioned). Perhaps Cyclone Catarina could be mentioned, as that is a great example of an extratropical storm becoming subtropical, and later tropical, aside from the fact it was an extreme weather anomaly. Is subtropical cyclogenesis any different outside of the Atlantic? --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll have to look up if Meteo France actually maintains a database which includes STs. Their real-time advisories tackle the subject. The problem is, I haven't uncovered any subtropical cyclone-related research that was centered on a basin other than the North Atlantic. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:38, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I just checked their website. Even though everything is in french, it does not appear that they have their database online. A preliminary search for South Indian STs has come up blank, but I'll keep looking. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for looking. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Added some text concerning use of subtropical cyclone and characteristics noted throughout the rest of the northern hemisphere. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Great, I'm happy about that. Do you think it's worth mentioning that hybrid systems occur east of Australia, for example, but aren't warned upon? Likewise with SATL cyclones. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's true. The definition of a tropical cyclone in the southern Pacific does not include warm core...it merely states that the cyclone be synoptic in scale with no frontal boundaries into the center, i.e. not extratropical. Their definition could encompass the ST category...which I think Nadi has warned upon in the past, but Brisbane has not. The 2008 operations plan is open to interpretation...I think it would be considered original research if I included that STs did have advisories near Australia, without the appropriate reference. The WMO document is not enough support, so it seems. Thegreatdr (talk) 01:24, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I seem to remember reading something by Gary Padgett that ST's weren't warned by Australia, that Hybrids regularly occurred along the east coast but they didn't get warnings... something like that. I'm really not sure, though. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

That was true through 2001, but they recently relaxed the definition to be fairly inclusive, so systems like the March 2001 ST could be warned upon. They wouldn't necessarily be called subtropical, however. This is where the problem lies. Thegreatdr (talk) 04:31, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Well, I guess the easiest scenario is just to not mention it, at least until (or if) you find a source that is clearer. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:44, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Sources being added

I'm in favor of leaving both historical types of subtropical cyclones in this article, even though the definition of subtropical cyclone was just changed this past year. Despite the agreed upon change this past spring, it has yet to make the TPC website. Thegreatdr 18:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Once someone adds info about regional names, someone should talk about Kona Lows... Titoxd^(?!?) 02:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Konas are interesting since some are subtropical cyclones. Many are just occluded cyclones that bring Hawaii rainfall within their trailing cold/stationary frontal boundary. Thegreatdr 19:29, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Andrea

I removed the sentence about Andrea from the history section. This storm forming doesn't contribute anything to the history of storms being classified as subtropical; aside from it forming in May, there's nothing else special about it that isn't covered by one of the existing examples. --Coredesat 05:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

neutercane sexist?

The article says, "However, when he began issuing public statements during the 1972 Atlantic hurricane season with the term 'neutercane', newspapers protested the term was "sexist". "

I have a feeling that this is a modern spin. The term sounded like a bad pun, that's for sure (like the bad puns about himmicanes that circulated in 1978 when they started using male names for tropical cyclones), and "neutercane" was only used in 1972. But there do not seem to be any news articles or other primary sources from 1972 or any nearby dates calling this term "sexist" (see google news archive and google books). Rather, this story seems to have emerged after the year 2000. Does anyone have an actual source from the period saying that the term was considered sexist, and that this is why it was dropped? Or did it just have too much "giggle factor" as a bad pun? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.18.151 (talk) 03:47, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

There haven't been any replies with confirmation so I am going to to try to re-work the text of the article. Just to reiterate, newspaper reports from the early 1970s did not call this term sexist. Stories to that effect emerged sometime after the year 2000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.18.151 (talk) 02:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Main image

An editor replaced the Andrea image with one of Otto in 2010, which would normally be fine. However, the image was one of Otto in its tropical phase. If you are going to replace the main image, please make sure the system is in its subtropical phase. Thank you. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:20, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

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Typhoons that transitioned from tropical to subtropical

Here Typhoons Jelawat and Surigae are listed in the list of tropical cyclones that transitioned to subtropical cyclone. The JMA doesn't recognise subtropical cyclones, so this must come from the JTWC. Going back there are tons of storms that went from tropical to subtropical. In the last ten years, I have found Jelawat (previously mentioned), 16W, Hector, Lekima, Dolphin, Surigae (previously mentioned), Rai, Yamaneko, Guchol, Mun and Sinlaku which all did this according to the JTWC. Either all these storms get included, which would make the list cluttered and unreadable, or we omit Jelawat and Surigae, which I believe to be the better option. I want to know other people's opinions on this. Nibnab43637 (talk) 20:11, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

This has been resolved here Nibnab43637 (talk) 18:27, 8 May 2026 (UTC)

Proposal to change the main image of Unnamed Tropical Storm (2023) (01L) or (SS 90L) to SS Karen (2025) in the top of the article.

Subtropical Storm Karen is a recent example of a subtropical system and a record breaking one. And I feel like it would fit the article a little better, as it is a good example. ~2026-16708-30 (talk) 23:53, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

It looks like the main image has been many different storms: the unnamed subtropical storm in 2000, Gustav in 2002, Andrea in 2007, Alex in 2016, Leslie in 2018, Alpha in 2020, Ana in 2021 and now the unnamed subtropical storm in 2023. It looks like this was done for little reason, often by IP users. Sometimes it was done because it was the most recent subtropical storm.

Changing it to Karen would fit in with the history of the main image, but it doesn't necessarily need to be done. You can change it if you want, but I won't. I won't revert it if you do; I don't think what the main image is matters.

Maybe we could standardise the image, for example having it always be the same subtropical storm, or maybe having it always be the most recent one.

Maybe we could ping someone. Hurricanehink might be a good choice; he'll post on your talk page eventually, although I don't want to distract him from more important things. ViridLeWiki edited this article a lot recently, maybe them. Nibnab43637 (talk) 17:57, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

I don’t really see a need to anyway, 01L 2023 seems like it fits the article’s main image pretty well ViridLeWiki (talk) 18:52, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

I agree. Karen looks very boring visually. 01L 2023 looks interesting, it has an eye, but it clearly has arctic features, and it was in January, off the coast of Nova Scotia.

On a somewhat related note, one way of cutting down on the image wars would be having a formal "list" that included every official subtropical cyclone. The subtropical cyclone article is on the short side (2,790 words). There have long been proposals for having a List of subtropical cyclones. Given that only the north Atlantic and the south-west Indian Ocean officially track subtropical cyclones among RSMCs, it wouldn't be too long, but the Atlantic one could be split by decades. This could be an replacement of the "Examples during the North Atlantic off-season". That section seems like synthesis, as there isn't explicit proof that subtropical cyclones are more likely than tropical cyclones to form outside the hurricane season, because nearly example became tropical. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:47, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Add a "list of" section?

Since List of Atlantic subtropical cyclones exists, I suggest adding a section for "subtropical cyclones" worldwide by basin. The Atlantic one would link the subarticle. In the long term, it might be nice having List of South-West Indian Ocean subtropical cyclones as a sub-article. Then, WPAC and SPAC would list the occasional examples of subtropical cyclones in those basins. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:25, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

Agree Sounds like a good idea. ViridLeWiki (talk) 18:37, 11 July 2026 (UTC)