Talk:Stockton B. Colt

Barclay Building - really known as Ungar Building besides some realty web pages?

I can't find any source for the name "Ungar Building" besides the cited and some other realty websites ... maybe this is just a mix-up? Or does anybody have some more and reliable information?. There was (is) a building in Portland, it was called "Ungar Building" - see Sanborn Fire Insurance Map from Portland, Multnomah County, Oregon, 1950, Volume 2, Plate 0111.jpg, with adresses 616-626 South West Alder Street (in OpenStreetMap). And there is an Ungar Building in Miami (in OpenStreetMap). But nothing to find about the Manhattan Broadway Building (299 Broadway, called Barclay Building). -- Schusch (talk) 13:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Names of commercial buildings often change with ownership but these new names are not always in widespread use. We know Ungar is its current name because that is how its rental space is marketed on numerous real estate websites. Note that Ungar is its current name—not its name in the 1950s–so you are not finding this on the Sanborn maps. For this article, it doesn't matter when its ownership and name changed. However, it may have been changed to avoid confusion with Barclay Tower.Rublamb (talk) 16:01, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I couldn't find numerous sites (not counting subdomains) naming this building Ungar Building - just some. And of course I know that I will not find an actual name of the Building in old maps. What I ment and still mean is: was there a carefree real estate agent who made a mistake with the name, and some more copied it - including the Wikipedia, what should not happen. In usual cases, a major tenant or the owner may determine the name - but do we have a tenant or owner named "Ungar" here? Usually one would find at least a few words praise for the name - that's missing here completely ... and even on the facade there is no "Ungar" to discover (thanks to the streetview tools available today). We should delete this (fake?) information here in my opinion. -- Schusch (talk) 23:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

The listings I found were not duplicates. The original source provides a short history of the building; it describes the property with accuracy. Another listing mentions recent renovations. Since this property is owned and managed by a real estate firm (named in the listings), it seems unlikely that they would misname their own property. I can find no reason to call this "fake" information. Discounting a source because you can't find a photo in Google maps with a name on the building is original research. We don't need to know why the building has that name, nor do we need to search for current and historic tenants of the property; that is beyond the scope of the article. What we do know is that this property is no longer called the Barclay Building; that name is clearly used in recent NYC newspapers to refer to Barclay Tower. And, we have sources that list its current name. Rublamb (talk) 23:47, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't have access to relevant actual newspapers of NYC, so if the name is in there too and not only once (some experience with the superficiality of so-called experts, who know perfectly well how to make a serious impression in words and writing without any substance behind it, makes me cautious) ... ok, I'm convinced :-) (and of course using streetview and the like is not original research). -- Schusch (talk) 09:06, 18 October 2024 (UTC)