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Latest comment: 26 days ago by Meamemg in topic Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2026

On the Topic of the '95 OKC Bombing

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> Terry Nichols, one of the perpetrators of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, subscribed to sovereign citizen ideology.

I'm not sure that this is something that should be put in the place that it's in. It feels extremely shoehorned, and might come off as putting *this* specific example and person as *the* example of what an aggressive SovCit would look like, despite being on the most extreme end of the spectrum.

I think this could be recontextualized (or put further down on the page into *History*), rather than where it is now.

FluffedSylas (talk) 19:34, 26 April 2026 (UTC)Reply

Shoehorned? No. It's a short part of a full paragraph (which you didn't quote entirely) and follows on directly from the preceding paragraph. The purpose of the two paragraphs is to briefly introduce two related aspects of the movement (non-violent legalisms vs violent extremism) and seems to represent fairly that the violent part does only apply to a minority and that due to the minority action the extreme parts of the movement is importantly classified by multiple countries' federal law enforcement as terroristic threats or potentially so:
Most sovereign citizens are not violent, but the methods the movement advocates are illegal. Sovereign citizens ... [rest of paragraph briefly describing some of the pseudolegal activities.]
Because some have engaged in armed confrontations with law enforcement, the FBI classifies "sovereign citizen extremists" as domestic terrorists.[18] Terry Nichols, [your quote]. In surveys conducted in 2014 and 2015, [further context not specifically about Nichols]. In 2015, the Australian New South Wales Police Force [further context not specifically about Nichols].
All three examples in the second paragraph have good citations. I don't see any issue including a brief mention of a very high profile and devastating example being mentioned in the paragraph establishing the background for law enforcement treatment of the extreme violent members.
It's not talking about the OKC bombing, its just mentioning it briefly as an example. Grow a pair. ~2026-27818-19 (talk) 10:47, 8 June 2026 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2026

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This is intentionally misleading and false by design. "Sovereign Citizen" is an oxymoron used by law enforcement to criminalize lawful status declaration. You can not be sovereign and at the same time be a citizen. A Sovereign is a living breathing man or woman and a Citizen is enslaved and legal property of a another man, woman or corporation (a person) whether it claims to be a legitimate government or not. Look it up and Fix this, don't be part of the problem. ~2026-40151-26 (talk) 19:10, 17 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please detail the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. meamemg (talk) 19:32, 17 July 2026 (UTC)Reply