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Requested move 10 June 2021
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 20:42, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Salon (website) → Salon.com – The last discussion of this article’s title was in 2012 (link), over whether to move the article from "Salon.com" to "Salon (website)", and it closed as "not moved" (though maybe "no consensus" would have been more accurate). However, the article was then moved to "Salon (website)" after the admin that closed the RM appears to have changed their mind and moved the article to "Salon (website)", the current title. Aside from this, my rationale for proposing a move back to Salon.com is as follows:
- While just "Salon" is probably the most common title, WP:NATURAL disambiguation is preferred to parenthetical disambiguation (as is currently used). For reference, the policy text describing natural disambiguation is: "Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title." The policy text clarifies that natural is preferred to parenthetical disambiguation: "In a similar vein, hand fan is preferable to fan (implement)."
- "Salon.com" is still commonly used even on the website itself: the <title> HTML element of Salon's homepage is: "Salon.com | News, Politics, Culture, Science & Food". Same goes for articles — example: “Joe Manchin's "highly suspicious" reversal on voting bill follows donation from corporate lobby | Salon.com”.
- In addition, the name of the company that publishes the website is Salon.com, LLC.
For these reasons, I believe the article should be moved back to "Salon.com". —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 20:17, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping to proposer and closer of previous RM: UtherSRG, DeLarge. The user who initially made the WP:BOLD move referenced in the first RM is indef blocked. —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 20:18, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Support: Seems logical, they clearly use the ".com" in their branding and naming conventions. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 20:39, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Support: I second the motion (so to speak). -- M.boli (talk) 22:33, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Makes sense. Egsan Bacon (talk) 03:07, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
- Support per WP:NATURAL.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:24, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Passed away
[edit]There are quite a few people listed as staff on this page who passed away in the last 5 years. Spoonpassport (talk) 04:24, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sources? And the page isn't protected so you can update this yourself. — Bilorv (talk) 10:47, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
I can't update it because of a conflict, but the information on current staff can be easily found by looking at the site's masthead. Particularly troubling is none of the current staff or management of color are mentioned anywhere in this article at all. Spoonpassport (talk) 15:49, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Suggestions for factual edits
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Suggested edits to Key People:
Drew Schoentrup is no longer CEO and is not with the company anymore. Mendel Benoit is CEO of parent company Find.co. Amanda Wolfe is General Manager of Salon. Erin Keane is chief content officer of Salon. Joseph Neese is editor in chief of Salon. https://www.salon.com/about/staff
Suggested edits to Content and Coverage section:
Suggest changing:
"Salon covers a variety of topics, including reviews and articles about books, films, and music; articles about "modern life", including friendships, human sexual behavior, and relationships; and reviews and articles about technology, with a particular focus on the free and open-source software (FOSS) movement."
TO: "Salon covers a variety of topics, including entertainment and culture, and food, with a particular focus on U.S. politics from a liberal and progressive point of view. Salon's web presence includes a YouTube channel, where it produces the show and podcast Standing Room Only with Amanda Marcotte, among other content."
Sources: https://www.salon.com/about | https://www.youtube.com/salontv
Suggested edits to Staff and Contributors:
As of 2024, Amanda Wolfe is General Manager of Salon, Erin Keane is chief content officer, and Joseph Neese is editor in chief. Updated staff list: https://www.salon.com/about/staff Eekshecried (talk) 15:28, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
Question: Is the sentence “ Drew Schoentrup is no longer CEO and is not with the company anymore.” necessary? If that is particularly noteworthy I understand adding it but otherwise I am not sure it’s needed Dahawk04 (talk) 21:36, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Absolutely not needed, apologies for the confusion. Eekshecried (talk) 23:09, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
Done Dahawk04 Talk 💬 21:07, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
Requested move wrongly decided
[edit]The section above, #Requested move 10 June 2021, was wrongly decided. Take a look at the Salon home page of June 10, 2021. It says "salon", not "salon.com". At the bottom of the page, it says "Copyright © 2021 Salon.com, LLC. Reproduction of material from any Salon pages without written permission is strictly prohibited. SALON ® is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office as a trademark of Salon.com, LLC." At the time of the requested move, the website was branded "Salon" as in "Salon pages"; the website was copyrighted by "Salon.com, LLC"; and there was an additional registered trademark of SALON. Click on "About" and you're on About Salon.com, which makes it look like the website is called Salon.com, but on June 10, 2021, this page, called itself "Salon" 10 times and "Salon.com" only once. Now the About page is About Salon. So, it's time to move this page to Salon (website). If a move is requested, please notify me. Otherwise, at some point, I will request a move. —Anomalocaris (talk) 23:49, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
Requested move 18 September 2026
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Salon.com → Salon (website) – The page is branded Salon; the About page is titled "About Salon"; in short, the website is just Salon now. Anomalocaris (talk) 08:29, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Comment: The provided rationale seems irrelevant to Wikipedia article title policies & guidelines. No evidence of what is common in independent reliable sources was provided. — BarrelProof (talk) 17:27, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- I think that, if a website has had consistent branding for many years, Wikipedia should go with that branding. However, I agree that what others call a website can't be ignored. The New York Times calls it Salon.[1] Mother Jones calls it Salon.[2] Washington Monthly and Politico call it Salon.[3] —Anomalocaris (talk) 00:26, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support per cited IRSs. — BarrelProof (talk) 17:38, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- I think that, if a website has had consistent branding for many years, Wikipedia should go with that branding. However, I agree that what others call a website can't be ignored. The New York Times calls it Salon.[1] Mother Jones calls it Salon.[2] Washington Monthly and Politico call it Salon.[3] —Anomalocaris (talk) 00:26, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support Seems to be referred to just as Salon in RSes. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 01:34, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support per cited sources. Helpful Cat🐈⬛ 07:17, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
References
- ↑ Ravi Somaiya (July 2, 2015). "Salon's Editorial Staff Plans to Unionize". The New York Times.
The move comes a month after employees at Gawker Media voted to unionize, and Salon, which was started in 1995, has opted to work with the same union, the Writers Guild of America, East. The decision represents an embodiment of Salon's progressive values, ...
- ↑ "Corn on 'Hardball': Romney's Campaign of Falsehoods Against President Obama". Mother Jones. May 24, 2012.
David Corn and Salon's Joan Walsh joined Chris Matthews on MSNBC's Hardball to discuss Mitt Romney's campaign of falsehoods against the President.
- ↑ Alexander Russo (June 2, 2016). "Salon's Long, Slow Descent Into Hyperbole & Clickbait". Washington Monthly.
Last week's Politico story The fall of Salon.com has been discounted by some ... 'Salon, which Talbot originally conceived of as a "smart tabloid," began as a liberal online magazine....' Indeed, Salon was once leading the way, long ago....
The article uses "Salon.com" once referring to an article title in Politico and "Salon" eleven times in its own voice. The linked Politico story The fall of Salon.com uses Salon.com once in the headline and once in article itself, where it uses "Salon" more than 100 times.
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