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Latest comment: 2 years ago6 comments3 people in discussion
My revision as of 04:43, 11 June 2023 ,
(Added a new section. "The significance of Rock and Roll for the Youth in Europe after World War II")
was reverted by C.Fred for the reason: "undue weight about a single documentary".
My answer is: I understand that.
But the question then is: how do I weigh what you consider "too much" or "not enough"?
If I don't document enough, the article will get rejected, then if I put too much it gets rejected.
Problem with this: I have found only One testimony/analysis on the subject, and if I make it too small, it will be considered a "stub".
... So how much is too much and how much is not enough?
Bottomline: I could spend hours amputating the text, then your comment could then be that it is lacking in substance...
Thanks J.Moondog (talk) 05:15, 11 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
P.S.: (1) I started by elaborating on the historical context, before starting to quote the testimony. ... Did I give too much context? With WW-II over 75 years behind us, the youth born in the years 2000, unless they majored in History, have no clue of the magnitude of the context of WW-II of which Tony Sheridan talks about... I simply took the time to contextualize the declarations made in the testimony. ... (2) Were my quotes too lengthy? What's the rule? ... Thanks. J.Moondog (talk) 05:30, 11 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Well, I finally realized that the introduction needed to be included instead in the article: Aftermath of World War II, which is done. Thanks J.Moondog (talk) 20:15, 11 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
I think you might find that what ever Tony Sheridan has to say will not really matter in this article, that is to say in the whole scope of R&R. It might fit iin other articles. Carptrash (talk) 21:12, 11 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
I just removed Tony Sheridan again, from where he was grouped in with Marty Wilde and Adan Faith. On the British charts Marty Wilde charted 14 times, Adam Faith charted 25 times, Tony Sheridan charted once, with My Bonnie in 1963, billed "and with The Beatles". He really does not belong in this article. Carptrash (talk) 04:35, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
The section added a few months ago on Tony Sheridan seems to be far too long, in relation to his actual role. I'm not opposed to him being mentioned, but in no more than a sentence or so. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:17, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 1 month ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Giving over an entire paragraph and extremely long unedited quote to Bruno Blum in the "Origins" section seems excessive and biased. Literally one sentence earlier the article states that there is no consensus regarding the race and genre DNA of rock and roll, whether it was a wholesale appropriation of black music or a unique fusion of black and white styles. Then the reader is immediately after faced with the opinion of one writer that supports the former position, and which is shown more prominence than any other piece of commentary in the whole article for no apparent reason and unnecessarily expands on points already summarized earlier in the same section. If someone thought his insights were worthy of conclusion, they could easily be communicated in one or two sentences with little to no quotation. 2600:8801:7116:4400:4055:5FAD:A658:A037 (talk) 23:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 11 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Hi -- I have tagged this article as possibly containing AI-generated text, specifically the edits by NebulaNavigator77. They need thorough review and fact check, but I have not removed them as this is a suspicion, not proof. In this case the blast radius seems to be limited to captions. Gnomingstuff (talk) 17:45, 13 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the tip. I'm able and willing to do some of the fact checking, just need a couple days to get back to this. Right or wrong, your suspicions are worth looking into. Curious: Wouldn't the Sockpuppet nature of the contributor be grounds enough for removal? The policy page I linked doesn't seem to address this. Meanwhile, the user NebulaNavigator77 has been blocked since January. Allreet (talk) 02:48, 16 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
level-4 vital article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
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