Talk:Recherla Rudra

"Recherla Rudra Reddy"

I am undoing the undiscussed move to "Recherla Rudra Reddy" -- this seems to be a name popularized by the members of the Reddy caste. There are exactly 0 results on Google Books / Scholars for this name -- academic sources prefer the name "Recherla Rudra":

• Google Books - Recherla Rudra
• Google Books - Recherla Rudra Reddy
• Google Scholar - Recherla Rudra
• Google Scholar - Recherla Rudra Reddy

utcursch | talk 13:29, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

First read the books, history and then comment. Read the ancestors and family lineage of Recherla Rudra Reddy. His father name is Katreddi and grandfather name is Kamareddi. Why do you apply your casteist ideologies to historical persons.Don't distort history. I can present you hundreds of proofs.

https://www.telangana360.com/2014/04/recherla-chiefs.html?m=1

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQoOJYoSwiblNpshnsvK4dU8DV2YcqrxdFNONplKRV6Puz3lwCxyuVtCpkX&s=10

Don't become historians based on some random Google info mentioning only half name created by random people. Read books, read genealogy, do some research. Don't dare to distort Telangana history. RRTSBharat (talk) 14:02, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Evidence from Epigraphia Telanganica, Vol. II (2023):

Page 147: Explicitly identifies the figure as Racherla Rudra Reddy and Rudra Reddi.

Page 146: Mentions the name Recherla Rudri Reddy in the context of tax grants to the Ramesvara-Mahadeva temple.

Page 8: The General Introduction confirms that Racherla Rudri Reddy was the prominent general who suppressed rebellions and negotiated the release of King Ganapatideva.

Page 329: Records a land grant by a minister under Racherla Rudrireddi.

Page 392 (Plate No. 8): Specifically labels the Palampet Inscription as belonging to Racherla Rudrireddi. RRTSBharat (talk) 18:41, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

Request to use the historically accurate name Recherla Rudra Reddy (or Rudrireddi) based on epigraphical evidence by Telangana Government

Reasons and Observation: The repeated removal of the "Reddy" (Reddi) suffix for Recherla Rudra is contrary to primary epigraphical records and established scholarly compilations. While some editors have cited a lack of "Google Scholar" results, Wikipedia’s core policy on Verifiability WP:V and Reliable Sources WP:RS prioritizes established academic and archaeological publications, such as the following: 1. Primary Epigraphical Evidence: The Palampet Inscription (1213 CE) The most definitive source is the Palampet Inscription of Recherla Rudrireddi (1213 CE), located at the Ramappa Temple. The Suffix: This inscription explicitly identifies the subject as Rudrireddi. Lineage: It also identifies his father as Katreddi (or Kat-reddi), proving that "Reddi" was the established family title/suffix used by this branch of the Recherla family during the Kakatiya period. Reference: Epigraphia Telanganica, Volume II: "Imperial Kakatiyas," Inscription No. 126 (Plate No. 8), page 392. 2. Supporting Secondary Scholarship The claim that there are "zero books" supporting this is factually incorrect. The distinction between the Recherla Reddis (loyal to the Kakatiyas) and the later Recherla Velamas is a well-documented historical fact: Academic Compilations: Epigraphia Telanganica (2023), edited by Gajjala Vasanta Lakshmi and General Editor Dr. Gautam Pingle (Center for Telangana Studies), repeatedly uses the term "Racherla Rudri Reddy" or "Recherla Rudrireddi" to describe his role in suppressing rebellions and negotiating the release of King Ganapatideva from Yadava captivity. Saiva Lineage Records: Inscription No. 317 at the Somappa temple in Nalgonda records gifts made for the merit of both the Kakatiya king Ganapati and "Recervula Ruddu-Raddi" (a variation of Recherla Rudra Reddy). Family Context: Other contemporary records in the same family, such as the Pillalamarri inscription (1208 CE), identify family members like Recherla Pillalamarri Beti Reddi and his wife Erakasanamma, reinforcing the consistent use of the "Reddi" title within this specific clan.

3. Addressing the Administrative Bias

The reliance on Google Scholar is a "digital-only" bias that ignores physical archaeological surveys published by state heritage departments.

Official Recognition: Epigraphia Telanganica is an official publication of the Dr. MCR Human Resource Development Institute, Government of Telangana.

Scholarly Consensus: The volume references the work of leading historians like Cynthia Talbot and P.V. Parabrahma Sastry, who recognize the Recherla chiefs as "Reddi" subordinates (Nayakas) of the Kakatiyas.

Conclusion: The suffix "Reddy" (historically "Reddi") is not a modern ideological addition; it is the literal transcription of the name found on the 13th-century stone inscriptions at the Ramappa Temple (a UNESCO World Heritage site). I request that the name be updated to reflect the primary source evidence: Recherla Rudra Reddy or Recherla Rudrireddi.

Gajjala Vasanta Lakshmi, ed. (2023). Epigraphia Telanganica (PDF). Vol. 2: Imperial Kakatiyas. Dr. MCR Human Resource Development Institute. ISBN 978-81-957545-5-7. RRTSBharat (talk) 19:03, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:Requested moves, and avoid AI slop. utcursch | talk 20:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

Please have some patience to read the truth presented in comment instead of ignoring and terming it as AI slop. RRTSBharat (talk) 01:15, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

Requested move 18 April 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Also going to add that after reading this discussion and the one above I've got some serious additional concerns about this RM as a whole. (non-admin closure) ⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley$\lor$investigateᛅ} 07:45, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

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Recherla Rudra → Recherla Rudra Reddy – The current title "Recherla Rudra" is an incomplete representation of the historical figure's name as recorded in primary epigraphic sources and contemporary scholarly compilations. The addition of "Reddy" (or "Reddi") is not a modern insertion but is explicitly used in the inscriptions found in Epigraphia Telanganica, Volume 2: Imperial Kakatiyas (Published by MCRHRD Institute, Government of Telangana, 2023). While Google Scholar may show fewer results for the specific string "Recherla Rudra Reddy," Wikipedia's policy on Verifiability WP:V and Identifying Reliable Sources WP:RS prioritizes high-quality academic publications and primary archaeological records over search engine hit counts.

Evidence from Epigraphia Telanganica, Vol. II (2023):

Page 147: Explicitly identifies the figure as Racherla Rudra Reddy and Rudra Reddi.

Page 146: Mentions the name Recherla Rudri Reddy in the context of tax grants to the Ramesvara-Mahadeva temple.

Page 8: The General Introduction confirms that Racherla Rudri Reddy was the prominent general who suppressed rebellions and negotiated the release of King Ganapatideva.

Page 329: Records a land grant by a minister under Racherla Rudrireddi.

Page 392 (Plate No. 8): Specifically labels the Palampet Inscription as belonging to Racherla Rudrireddi.

Conclusion: The "Reddy/Reddi" suffix is a consistent identifier used by the most recent and comprehensive epigraphic survey of the region. Moving the page ensures the title reflects the nomenclature used in the primary inscriptions and the latest historical scholarship.

Gajjala Vasanta Lakshmi, ed. (2023). Epigraphia Telanganica (PDF). Vol. 2: Imperial Kakatiyas. Dr. MCR Human Resource Development Institute. ISBN 978-81-957545-5-7.

RRTSBharat (talk) 00:57, 18 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 01:57, 25 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 01:45, 2 May 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose: There are exactly 0 results on Google Books / Scholars for the proposed name "Recherla Rudra Reddy":
  • Google Books - Recherla Rudra
  • Google Books - Recherla Rudra Reddy
  • Google Scholar - Recherla Rudra
  • Google Scholar - Recherla Rudra Reddy

  utcursch | talk 16:05, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

  Rebuttal to Opposition: Addressing Search Engine Limitations with Recent Academic Publication

  While it is true that Google Scholar and Google Books show results for the shorter name, this is a reflection of search engine indexing lag rather than a lack of historical accuracy. Wikipedia policy WP:V and WP:RS prioritize the most recent, high-quality scholarly works over search engine hit counts.

  The 2023 publication "Epigraphia Telanganica, Vol. 2: Imperial Kakatiyas" (ISBN: 978-81-957545-5-7), published by the Dr. MCR HRD Institute, Government of Telangana, represents the latest and most comprehensive epigraphic survey of the region. This is not a "self-published" work, but a formal academic volume edited by Gajjala Vasanta Lakshmi. RRTSBharat (talk) 18:39, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

  Rebuttal to Opposition: "There are exactly 0 results on Google Books / Scholars for the proposed name "Recherla Rudra Reddy"

  This is absolutely wrong, their are multiple results on Google books using Recharla/Recherla Rudra Reddy

  1. Incredible Temples and Sanatan Sanskriti Vol-2 - Page 317

  2. A Study of the History and Culture of the Andhras: ... - Page 28

  3. Dress and Jewellery of Women: Sātavāhana to Kākatīya - Page 13

  4.Telangana GK General Knowledge (Question Bank) - Page 25

  And Previously also I have provided all the inscriptional proofs from Epigarphia Telanganica, where numerous time Recherla Rudra Reddy and his Descendants, Ancestors all were addressed with "Reddi/Reddy" suffix.

  Which was taken down by Mr.Utkarsh without addressing any problems or issues with the sources, and no policy based justification, other than his assumptions on my motives, you can check that in my talk page. Pedhireddi (talk) 11:30, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Military history and WikiProject Biography have been notified of this discussion. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 01:45, 2 May 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose per utcursch and the fact your argument for moving is definitely AI-generated. Kibblebrain (talk) 07:56, 2 May 2026 (UTC)

  Rebutal to Opposition: No, been researching a lot from long time to present the correct proofs. It is not AI generated argument. Please read the pages of the book I cited published by Telangana Government mentioning Recherla Rudra Reddy multiple times. As per wikipedia policy please give importance to proven and recently published authoritative book by Telangana Government. RRTSBharat (talk) 20:50, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

  Rebuttal to Opposition: "There are exactly 0 results on Google Books / Scholars for the proposed name "Recherla Rudra Reddy"

  This is absolutely wrong, their are multiple results on Google books using Recharla/Recherla Rudra Reddy

  1. Incredible Temples and Sanatan Sanskriti Vol-2 - Page 317

  2. A Study of the History and Culture of the Andhras: ... - Page 28

  3. Dress and Jewellery of Women: Sātavāhana to Kākatīya - Page 13

  4.Telangana GK General Knowledge (Question Bank) - Page 25

  And Previously also I have provided all the inscriptional proofs from Epigarphia Telanganica, where numerous time Recherla Rudra Reddy and his Descendants, Ancestors all were addressed with "Reddi/Reddy" suffix.

  Which was taken down by Mr.Utkarsh without addressing any problems or issues with the sources, and no policy based justification, other than his assumptions on my motives, you can check that in my talk page.

  Pedhireddi (talk) 11:31, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

  Rebuttal to Opposition: "There are exactly 0 results on Google Books / Scholars for the proposed name "Recherla Rudra Reddy"

  This is absolutely wrong, their are multiple results on Google books using Recharla/Recherla Rudra Reddy

  1. Incredible Temples and Sanatan Sanskriti Vol-2 - Page 317

  2. A Study of the History and Culture of the Andhras: ... - Page 28

  3. Dress and Jewellery of Women: Sātavāhana to Kākatīya - Page 13

  4.Telangana GK General Knowledge (Question Bank) - Page 25

  And Previously also I have provided all the inscriptional proofs from Epigarphia Telanganica, where numerous time Recherla Rudra Reddy and his Descendants, Ancestors all were addressed with "Reddi/Reddy" suffix.

  Which was taken down by Mr.Utkarsh without addressing any problems or issues with the sources, and no policy based justification, other than his assumptions on my motives, you can check that in my talk page.

  Pedhireddi

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Request to move, discussion didn't complete, no valid reply to the rebuttals

Request to use the historically accurate name Recharla Rudra Reddy was made earlier and was presented with all the necessary citations and inscriptional proofs, we haven't received any valid reply,other than baseless assumptions and my last replies were also ignored, this is the nth time we are requesting, we have all the necessary proofs and citations, we will move the page soon, as there is no proper response or rebuttals from the other side. Pedhireddi (talk) 08:35, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

Requested move

@LuniZunie @Utcursch — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pedhireddi (talk • contribs) 17:20, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

Recharla Rudra Reddy is addressed as Recharla Rudra Reddy, i.e; with Reddy suffix in numerous places, in inscriptions, in history books and can also be found in Google books search as that was a concern for @Utcursch, I'll provide all the sources below.

Inscriptional Sources:

From Government of Telangana https://www.mcrhrdi.gov.in/images/epigraphia/Vol-II.pdf pages: 9,147,162,345,346

Dichukunta Inscription of Recherla (Mandalika) Rudri Reddy 4th August, A.D. 1217

Historians use of the Reddy suffix for Recherla Rudra Reddi and Historians assessment of Recherla Rudra Reddi and Recherla Reddis belonging to Reddy caste:

1. From The Kakatiyas(of Warangal) by PVP Shastry https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.175182/page/142/mode/2up?q=Recherla

2. Power, memory, architecture : contested sites on India's Deccan Plateau, 1300-1600 by Richard M. Eaton https://archive.org/details/powermemoryarchi0000eato/page/202/mode/2up

Google books search result:

1. Incredible Temples and Sanatan Sanskriti Vol-2 - Page 317

2. A Study of the History and Culture of the Andhras: ... - Page 28

3. Dress and Jewellery of Women: Sātavāhana to Kākatīya - Page 13

4.Telangana GK General Knowledge (Question Bank) - Page 25

Conclusion: Recherla Rudra should be moved to Recherla Rudra Reddy

Pedhireddi (talk) 16:53, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

Your requested a move, which failed. Please don't keep repeating the same arguments after you have been informed about WP:COMMONNAME and other policies.

There is no conspiracy against your caste. The search results for "Recherla Rudra" and "Recharla Rudra" far outnumber the search results for "Recherla Rudra Reddy" and "Recharla Rudra Reddy" on Google Scholar/Books. It's that simple, really.

We are not going to move the article Mother Teresa to Anjezë Gonxhe Bojaxhiu, because a few editors surnamed Bojaxhiu insist on that. The majority of reliable sources refer to her as "Mother Teresa", so that's where the article stays. utcursch | talk 14:41, 1 June 2026 (UTC)