Talk:Rapping

Discussion at Talk:Hip hop music § Requested move 23 November 2024

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Hip hop music § Requested move 23 November 2024. InfiniteNexus (talk) 07:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2025

Female Rap Edit The emergence of rap or hip hop music in the United States right before the turn of the 21st century was a movement giving voice to the voiceless, and more importantly, the silenced. As Foster in I Don’t Like the Blues traces Blues epistemology, which some might argue is the root of Black music, back to African polyrhythms as Black communication. The new yet old discursive that established an ontology that revived the socially dead. In Southeastern Africa, griot can be storytelling, but its roots go back to the village, where a resident stands on a mound in its center and airs their grievances to the world as loud as they wish, without judgement. From Queen Latifah to Lil Kim, to Left Eye, and Yo-Yo, the emergence of female rap redefined the genre to music that was shaped by, but more importantly shaping society’s normative understandings and behavior, especially regarding gender, sexuality, and Blackness (Baker 2023). Each artist contributed to the third wave of feminism, highlighting different experiences and attitudes regarding women’s agency regarding work, gendered relationships, and sex, highly influenced by their regional and local backgrounds. While many rappers came from New York, rappers like Left Eye, Rhapsody, and Gangsta Boo unapologetically brought their own sounds and experiences from the South. Contemporarily, “stud” rappers like Jenn Carter and Young M.A. are openly gay, building on the foundation of many of their 90s predecessors and have flourishing rap careers, establishing themselves uniquely in a genre dominated by masculinity. Rappers, Cardi B and Megan the Stallion revived the digital-age fourth wave of feminism drawing the nation’s attention to female sexuality and agency with its lyrics (Needleman 2023), but also specifically by bringing together Megan’s Southern and Cardi B’s New York Afro-Latina/Caribbean backgrounds and resulting expression. Rapper, Noname, draws on the fifth wave of feminism, colloquially discussing queer theory, Black womanism, and the abolitionist movement. Songs like “Diddy Bop” illustrate her personal connection to these movements growing up in Chicago, Illinois and the continuity between her past, present, and imagined future. One of the biggest new female rappers, Glorilla, is known for her motivational lyrics, drawing loyal listeners ranging from NBA legend Lebron James, to D1 American Football teams, to other rappers, and the Black church. She is best known for her thick Memphis accent, playful personality, and inter-generational love for the Pittsburg Steelers. As people we are inextricable from the places we live, we shape them and they shape us, and it is best exemplified in our expression. From our accents to our diction to our syntax we are able to make meaning of ourselves through the world around us. People often listen to music from their hometown, their places, because it reflects them best. Female rappers have established a tradition of taking people from places nowhere like their own and still speak to their experiences and cultural understandings, their ontology, and create something from their place - a moment or spur a movement. They created a new way to make music to deeply and impactfully feel, an attribute unique to the feminine production of culture, and to express being a complex, multi-dimensional person much like the places they dwell in. Amkandawire0701 (talk) 02:50, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Aydoh8^{[what have I done now?]} 02:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Why does "rap music" redirect to "hip-hop" rather than here?

Not quite clear to me after going through the intro (lead): the distinction between rapping and rap music. IMO, this should be made much clearer than it is now, and right from the start. Or is it just an academic distinction, not worth the trouble? If so, then why is "rap music" redirecting to "hip-hop"? To me it's like "stammer" redirecting to "speach disorder", while there's an independant article on "stammering" (no offense intended). Arminden (talk) 14:38, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

Requested move 26 August 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) msk 16:25, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

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Rapping → RapRap – "Rap" is the more common and generally correct term used to describe the musical genre, culture, and overall vocal style (see, for example, freestyle rap). I also propose redirecting rap music to this article. ~2026-46622-82 (talk) 12:35, 26 August 2026 (UTC)

Support on Rapping → Rap.

Oppose specifically on the rap music redirect. These are definitely different things.

Note that:

• Performance poetry
• Prose poetry
• Lyric poetry
• Oral poetry
• Spoken word
• Poetry slam

Don't redirect to the standard poetry article. Theevu (talk) 15:46, 26 August 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose. The musical genre and culture aren't the focus of this article; they're at hip-hop. This article is about rapping as an activity, which is of course closely associated with hip-hop but has a different article scope. Using a gerund as the title is the clearest way to communicate that distinction; compare singing, running, eating, etc. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:51, 26 August 2026 (UTC)

  Small point of contention: "sing" and "eat" do not exist as nouns (and "run" as a noun has a much narrower scope compared with running than "rap" does with rapping IMO). The rest of your comment is valid though. ~2026-46623-92 (talk) 15:07, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

  @ModernDayTrilobite So why not make "Rap" a redirect to Hip-hop? "Rap" is the WP:COMMONNAME for the musical style and genre. ~2026-47149-95 (talk) 11:45, 31 August 2026 (UTC)

  I'd be fine with that. Although I prefer having the articles on hip-hop and rapping each remain at their current title, I think raprap can justifiably redirect to either. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:25, 31 August 2026 (UTC)

  Can you describe more why you'd want that? Rap more closely refers to the act of rapping rather than the musical genre. Is there some nuance I'm missing? Theevu (talk) 15:28, 31 August 2026 (UTC)

  @Theevu If "Rap" primarily refers to "rapping," then why not move the article to Rap? It is clearly the more common term. ~2026-47526-87 (talk) 15:41, 31 August 2026 (UTC)

  I supported Rapping → Rap if you look above. Theevu (talk) 21:34, 31 August 2026 (UTC)

Oppose. These two articles discuss different topics which are already well-disambiguated by their current titles and separation into different articles.

And if the articles should remain separate, the current title of this article does a much better job of disambiguating the two. If titled "Rap", that would have much more obvious overlap with Hip-hop, as that genre is often called "Rap", but is never called "Rapping". Hugo P. Behrmann (☎) 17:01, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.