Talk:Queen Camilla

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2025

Queen Consort Camilla, not Queen Camilla. A Queen has independent ruling powers given by blood or birth right and can rule on her own. A Queen Consort is the wife of a reigning King but holds no independent ruling power for when he passes; she will no longer be a Queen when the King is gone and the succession will be handed down to the next royal in line. AW79057 (talk) 16:16, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

See the FAQ at the top of this page. DrKay (talk) 16:34, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

 Not done This move has been requested multiple times, to the point of me not able to move the page for you. Theeverywhereperson (talk here) 16:37, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

"Queen consort of the other Commonwealth realms"?

Who exactly calls her that? Surtsicna (talk) 21:36, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

The infobox says "Queen consort of the United Kingdom and the other Commonwealth realms". GoodDay (talk) 15:50, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Right. So who calls her that? Surtsicna (talk) 15:59, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

What do you recomend? At Alexandra of Denmark, Mary of Teck & Queen Elizabeth, Queen Mother, we use "...and the British Dominions" in their infoboxes. GoodDay (talk) 16:11, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

I recommend finding reliable sources that refer to Camilla as queen of the other Commonwealth realms or lose it from the infobox. Is she queen of Australia? Source? Is she queen of Jamaica? Source? etc Surtsicna (talk) 17:52, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Does this also cover Charles III's & Elizabeth II's infoboxes? The hatnote mentions the other realms. GoodDay (talk) 18:04, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

We have sources stating that Charles is king of those realms and that Elizabeth was queen. Surtsicna (talk) 18:28, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Well if they're monarchs of those countries. It would be obvious that their legal spouses are consorts of those countries. I believe you're looking for a solution, where there's no problem. GoodDay (talk) 18:33, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

That's WP:SYNTHESIS. Surtsicna (talk) 18:48, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

This source says it. https://qormuseum.org/soldiers-of-the-queens-own/appointments/honoraries/the-duchess-of-cornwall/ ItsShandog (talk) 19:27, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

The other realms do recognize her as queen consort as is evident by the Government of Canada's website. And funnily enough I remember having this discussion before. Keivan.f^Talk 19:34, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

I will not be surprised if it turns out that this was discussed back when we were hammering out queen vs queen consort, but I cannot find it. I do not see where she is called queen of Canada on the page you linked. Charles, on the other hand, is explicitly called king of Canada. Surtsicna (talk) 21:27, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. She is referred to as "The Queen Consort", which honestly makes sense. She is again listed as "Camilla, The Queen Consort" on their list of kings and queens of Canada which obviously is concerned with her position in Canada. Even during their latest visit to Canada she was sitting on the throne next to Charles at the opening of Parliament. Obviously they would not put any random person on the throne. Does she have any constitutional role? No, but then again even in the UK a consort has no constitutional role. The whole thing is just based on precedence, etc. Keivan.f^Talk 22:22, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

The thing is, she is queen of the United Kingdom in British common law. We have reputable sources calling her queen of the United Kingdom and reputable sources explaining how and why she is queen. The queen consort does have a constitutional role in the UK: the Regency Acts entitle her to act as a counsellor of state and as the guardian of the king should he become incapacitated. The Canadian government website may, for all we know, simply be acknowledging her British title. Is the government website calling her "The Queen Consort" quite sufficient to conclude that the Canadian government considers her queen of Canada? I would be wary of that conclusion because they list everyone by their British titles and we might arrive to the conclusion that the rest of them are all princes and princesses of Canada too. Surtsicna (talk) 22:47, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

I should have said "legal" precedence in my comment. And yes, a British consort may exercise certain powers if the sovereign is incapacitated. But that sovereign is also the monarch of a number of other realms; so technically if he is not of sound mind the consort would be able to act on his behalf (with the other counsellors), and that would arguably cover all his duties. And this is why the whole thing gets a little bit messy because on one hand you might think everything is just limited to the UK common law and yet we have concepts such as Canadian royal family but then there are no Canadian titles. So in short we have an acknowledgment from the Canadian government that Camilla is the queen consort (could be a reference to either her title or position as you said) and the Queen's Own Rifles of Canada Regimental Museum and Archive describing her as queen of all the Commonwealth realms. I have personally not seen any direct clues from any of the governments signaling that she's not the queen consort in any of the realms; she appears to be acknowledged as his consort in openings of parliament sessions, etc. But I'll leave it to others to provide more input. Keivan.f^Talk 00:07, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

Camilla's title was Queen Consort until the coronation. How do we know that the Canadian government has just neglected to update its website to reflect her new title? TFD (talk) 12:49, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

That is not what we are discussing. Surtsicna (talk) 13:52, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

@Surtsicna The prime minister's office refers to her as 'The Queen', as does the [Canadian government|https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/campaigns/2025-royal-visit.html]. A queen consort "is the wife of a reigning king", so it is accurate to describe her as the queen consort of all the territories in which her husband reigns. Jèrriais janne (talk) 08:55, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

@The Four Deuces:, Surtsicna is questioning whether Camilla is queen of any of the (14) aforementioned realms, outside of the United Kingdom. GoodDay (talk) 14:35, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

I've mentioned this discussion at WP:ROY & WP:BLP, to garner more input. GoodDay (talk) 03:37, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

I am aware of that. However, their original question that began this discussion was ""Queen consort of the other Commonwealth realms" Who exactly calls her that?" [21:36, 13 October 2025] Are you saying that has now been resolved in which case we can close the discussion thread and open a new one about whether she is "Queen of the other Commonwealth realms." TFD (talk) 15:15, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

The emphasis is not on the word consort at all. Surtsicna (talk) 15:32, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, so just to clarify, no one is disputing her title here (which is The Queen). It is her position within the Commonwealth realms that is being discussed. In other words, we know she is queen consort of the United Kingdom, but is she also queen consort of Canada, queen consort of New Zealand, etc.? And we already went into the details about what some of the sources say so I'm not gonna repeat myself. Keivan.f^Talk 19:10, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

Here are some sources that may help answer the question. I have not included any that are obviously unreliable, meaning these are at least plausibly reliable but I haven't investigated beyond that.

• Holland Becket "The spouse and family of the monarch do not enjoy special legal status in New Zealand, or titles in their own right. Technically, Camilla is not the Queen Consort of New Zealand. As a matter of etiquette however, she will be referred to as such."
• BBC News (2014) When William, Catherine and baby George disembark, first in Wellington and later in Sydney, they will be welcomed not merely as the "super-celebrities" they undoubtedly are, but as prospective kings and as a future queen consort of New Zealand and Australia.
• Governor-General of New Zealand The Queen Consort (then Duchess of Cornwall) accompanied [King Charles] on his visits in 2012, 2015 and 2019.
• New Zealand Herald (2022) King Charles III and Queen Consort Camilla could visit New Zealand early next year [...]
• Vogue Australia Kicking off on October 18, official duties began the second the King and the queen consort hit the tarmac at Sydney Airport

I was unable to find anything reliable explicitly and unambiguously describing her as Queen Consort of the Bahamas. I've run out of time to look regarding other realms. Thryduulf (talk) 00:45, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

Women assume the feminine version of their husband's title on the assumption that the legal personality of women is merged with that of their husbands upon marriage. Hence when Jane Doe marries Richard Roe she becomes "Mrs. Richard Roe." Therefore, it's confusing to say that she is queen consort of the UK and the Commonwealth realms. Where her husband is king, she is recognized as his consort. But does it make sense to call her queen or queen consort of the UK or any other place? TFD (talk) 16:39, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

We're getting two discussons at the same time here. @Surtsicna: wants proof that Camilla is also queen (consort) of Canada, New Zeland, Australia, etc. Meanwhile @The Four Deuces: wants to talk about whether or not she should be called queen or queen consort. Let's handle one topic at a time, please. GoodDay (talk) 00:30, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

I just addressed the issue of whether "it makes sense to call her queen or queen consort of the UK or any other place?" [ 16:39, 18 October 2025] Please note that I am not asking whether she should be called queen or whether she should be called queen consort but whether she should be called either one. Hopefully that clears up the questions and we can address whether she is also "queen (consort) [whether one calls her queen or queen consort] of her [other realms]."

We could also be confusing what "of" means. William is a prince of Wales, while Harry is a prince of the UK. "Of Wales" means (at least historically), that he was the sovereign of Wales, while "of the UK" means that his title was bestowed by the king of the UK. TFD (talk) 01:03, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

• Not queen consort of the other Commonwealth realms - After glancing at this briefly; I don't really know (or really care) about the legality of this issue, but I agree with User:Surtsicna that there don't appear to be sources who call her this. We ought not to either. Out of curiousity, would anyone object to me just being WP:BOLD and removing it? NickCT (talk) 12:53, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp148149/camilla-queen-consort this source does. ItsShandog (talk) 13:35, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  Hmmmm..... some of that language in that source looks like it was copy/pasted from Wikipedia. Are you sure it's not WP:CITOGENESIS? NickCT (talk) 14:11, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  I object to removing it. The Canadian government refers to her as the Queen Consort, and more usually simply the Queen, in contexts where they are clearly referring to their Canadian roles. If there are suggestions to better reflect the sources, I would be open to that, but removing any mention of a relationship with Canada simply because the exact phrase "Queen Consort of Canada" isn't used would misrepresent the sources.--Trystan (talk) 13:39, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  If you're going to say something like "The Canadian government referes to her as the Queen Consort", could you provide a reference? NickCT (talk) 14:05, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  As in the UK, she was referred to as the Queen Consort prior to the coronation to distinguish her from the late Queen, and is more typically just referred to as the Queen. There are still some references to her as Queen Consort, but more to her simply as Queen.--Trystan (talk) 14:32, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  I'm sorry. I should have been more clear. Do you have a Canadian goverment source that refers to her as the "Queen Consort of Canada"? There are US government sources that refer to Charles simply as "the King". Obviously he's not "King of the US". NickCT (talk) 14:40, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  I guess the heritage source does call her a "Canadian Royal", which sorta infers that she must be Queen of Canada.

  I guess sources sorta exist that support the claim that shes queen of "others", but we may be missing the WP:DUE element of this conversation. If we're having to go to super obscure sources to support the claim, while lots more, better sources, refer to her simply as Queen of England or UK or whatever, isn't including the claim simply undue? NickCT (talk) 14:54, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  I can't quickly find a Canadian government source that explicitly says "Queen [Consort] of Canada" (though there are plenty that call her "Queen" in an official Canadian context). However, here's a UK gov one: The royal visit in May 2025 will be the King's 20th visit to Canada and the Queen's fifth, but their first as King and Queen of Canada.. There are also plenty of reliable news sources calling her "Queen of Canada", e.g. . Rosbif73 (talk) 15:09, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  There’s nothing wrong with the current wording. King Charles is king of the United Kingdom and the other Commonwealth realms, and Camilla is his consort. By virtue of marriage and coronation, it’s common sense — and constitutional convention — that she is queen or queen consort of those realms too. We don’t need separate sources for each realm to confirm what is already established. Queen Mary’s page refers to her as queen of the United Kingdom and the British Dominions — the same logic applies here. If we start changing this, are we supposed to revise and remove references to the Commonwealth realms and Dominions from every royal consort page? The National Portrait Gallery already refers to Camilla as Queen of the United Kingdom and the other Commonwealth realms — and that link has already been provided. ItsShandog (talk) 16:36, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  @NickCT: Camilla is the Queen Consort of Charles III, who is King of Canada. She has official Canadian portraits as Her Majesty the Queen, and sat before Parliament on the Consort's Throne. It is an entirely different situation than the US government referring to the King by his title.

  I don't think there is a DUE issue; there are plenty of sources that refer to her as the Queen in a context where the Monarchy of Canada is evident. If we are looking for very specific set wording, it is not unusual to find it only in a few places. I don't think the official Canadian royal portrait is an obscure source for this sort of question.

  But how about the wording Camilla (born Camilla Rosemary Shand, later Parker Bowles, 17 July 1947) is Queen of the United Kingdom. She is the queen consort of King Charles III, monarch of the 15 Commonwealth realms.?--Trystan (talk) 15:14, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  I think I prefer the wording ItsShandog offers to the current wording. It emphasizes her role as Queen of the United Kingdom, which is what most references refer to her as. Since most references point to her in that role it's DUE that we emphasize that role. NickCT (talk) 17:13, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  It was someone else who referenced it to be that wording, I think it should stay as it is. ItsShandog (talk) 17:19, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  Sorry, that was me; I missed signing.--Trystan (talk) 18:37, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  I agree that the existing wording is fine, while the proposed change is unnecessary and overly pedantic. Insisting on citations for the fact that the wife of the king is queen consort in each realm is pretty close to WP:SKYISBLUE territory; that's the very definition of a queen consort. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:01, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

  I think there is confusion between title and office. Charles is king of each of the Commonwealth realm and has a different title in each of them. His wife is then called "Queen" in each of these realms. But Queen is put before her Christian name, Camilla. Hence her title by custom in each realm is "Queen Camilla." She has however no constitutional role in Canada. But then she is also called Queen Camilla in countries where her husband is not king. TFD (talk) 20:32, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  She has no constitutional role in Canada, but she does have a ceremonial role that is distinct from "visiting foreign dignitary" (as evidenced by having an official Canadian royal portrait and sitting on the Consort's Throne in Parliament). Similarly, I'm not aware of any legal status for the viceregal consort of Canada, but the role still exists.--Trystan (talk) 02:30, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

  The Canadian government refers to her as Queen Camilla. It is OR to say that makes her Queen of Canada. TFD (talk) 03:59, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

  Canada's protocol guidelines say the king is address as "His Majesty King Charles III, King of Canada," while the queen is addressed "Her Majesty The Queen Consort." (I imagine it has not been updated since "Consort" was dropped.) So she isn't referred to as Queen of Canada. TFD (talk) 11:41, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

  I think there's some confusion as to what the quesiton is here. I don't care (and I don't think User:Surtsicna cared) what her title or office is. I only care what RS's refer to her as. The foundation of WP:N and WP:DUE is that we reflect the viewpoints and wordings in sources based on the relative prominence of those viewpoints and wordings. Many people/sources call her Queen (or Queen consort or whatever) of the United Kingdom. Few people/sources call her Queen of other places. The way the wording is now, we unduely give equal weight to those two roles. NickCT (talk) 13:49, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

  Where are the rs that say she is Queen of the UK? Does it make sense to say that the consort of the king of the UK is the queen of the UK? TFD (talk) 14:52, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

  Honestly, I don't really have a strong opinion on that topic. I guess I'd note that if you search engine test it "Queen of the United Kingdom" seems ~4X more common than "Queen consort of the United Kingdom". NickCT (talk) 20:33, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

  Sorry if I was not clear so I shall rephrase my questions. Where are the rs that say she is Queen of the UK [or Queen Consort of the UK]? Does it make sense to say that the consort of the king of the UK is the queen of the UK [or the queen consort of the UK]? TFD (talk) 20:51, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

  People calls her "Queen Consort of the UK". Vanity Fair calls her "Queen of the UK". There seem to soures for both. NickCT (talk) 22:08, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

The issue that WP editors keep forgetting is that other search engines pick up the basic info from WP without further elaboration and then present it to searchers (the populace) along with other sources. So a search on Camilla tells me that she is the Queen of the UK, rather than Queen Consort. This matter has been done to death on WP and I shall discuss it no further, but editors should be aware that WP "information" is starting to look no better than AI-generated slop due to its lack of basic precision. ~2026-38253-03 (talk) 23:12, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

There is no such title as Queen Consort. How many times do we have to repeat that? SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:58, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

Main image (again)

The Flickr accounts of the White House and the Foreign Office have uploaded a few dozen photographs of Their Majesties' state visit to the United States, many of which are good candidates for this. I would hold off a decision until next month's state opening, though. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 19:16, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

Infobox Image replacement

Following up on @Robin S. Taylor:'s comment above. I've sorted through the uploaded pics from the U.S. state visit and found two possible contenders for an image infobox replacement. Please feel free to upload other possible options. I feel the current infobox is outdated on the count that it's of Camilla prior to being queen and it's 7 years outdated. I'm personally leaning towards Option B. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:05, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

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  Option A
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  Option B
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  Option C

A is very low quality and even B is inferior to the current image in terms of resolution, etc. If users decide that recentism trumps all other factors, then sure, we can consider B as an option. Not that I would advocate for it. Keivan.f^Talk 21:30, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

Would it be appropriate to upscale the photograph with Photoshop, per Wikipedia:HTIIQ? AKTC3 (talk) 11:44, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

Upscaled images are deprecated per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images#AI upscaling. DrKay (talk) 12:30, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

I like B, I have seen other options on Commons that may be better. It's more suitable for an image of her facing or at least angled a little to the text Rexophile (talk) 20:49, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

A would be fine if it had a better resolution but its low quality makes it unsuitable (plus having the British Queen standing before the American flag may feel a bit odd). C is unflattering. B is the best of the three, but since the current picture is just fine and IMHO better than all three, we may afford to wait or look for other options on Commons. Psychloppos (talk) 13:29, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

I like the current photo best, and I think we should stick with it until something better comes along. With Camilla, we need the smile, and her facing the camera. Of these three, A has the smile but it's out because of the flag, and the image quality isn't the best, as others have said. I don't like B because she's looking away, and the hat is a distraction. C has too much shade, and I agree with Psychloppos that it's unflattering. Jack (talk) 15:12, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2026

Change Queen Camilla to Queen Consort Camilla ~2026-38964-52 (talk) 18:28, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

 Not done See the FAQ and talk page sections above this one. DrKay (talk) 19:09, 8 July 2026 (UTC)

She was referred to in reliable sources, including the Royal Family website, as Queen Consort Camilla until the coronation, after which she was referred to as Queen Camilla. Articles are named according to Wikipedia:Commonname, which is the reason for the current title. I have been unable to find any statute or legal precedent for what her title should be. IMHO, readers looking for this article are more likely to type in "Queen Camilla" than "Queen Consort Camilla" or any other name. TFD (talk) 01:11, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

If we want to get into technicalities, she was never referred to as "Queen Consort Camilla", even on the royal website. She was titled "The Queen Consort", which was later changed to "The Queen". Even Queen Victoria's husband who was "The Prince Consort" was referred to as "Prince Albert", not "Prince Consort Albert". Keivan.f^Talk 15:18, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

Actually, I think the overwhelming majority of people searching for the article will simply type Camilla, because that's what virtually everyone calls her. I find that when people say 'The Queen', they still mean Elizabeth. Jack (talk) 21:35, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

Well, we cannot have the article titled "Camilla" just as we cannot have the article on Queen Letizia of Spain titled "Letizia", or the one on Queen Mathilde of Belgium titled "Mathilde". European queens consort have generic, common feminine names hence why we stick to the "Queen [Name]" formula, which also preserves consistency among these pages. Keivan.f^Talk 05:19, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

That's right, but typing 'Camilla' takes them to Camilla, only one short step away. Some people will type 'Queen Camilla', of course, but I think hardly anyone would include 'consort' in the search. Jack (talk) 09:05, 10 July 2026 (UTC)