Talk:Near-death experience

Plagiarism

Hello Diannaa - concerning plagiarism, do we also need to delete or paraphrase the Greyson scale because it has also been copied and pasted word by word? best 08:08, 19 May 2025 (UTC)Josezetabal (talk)

I'm not sure I understand the question. Which part is copied, and from where? — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 11:30, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind reply dear Diannaa. So if you click on the link Greyson scale you will land on a table called "Bruce Greyson's composition of final NDE Scale" that has been copied pasted from reference (reference 32 in the article). Josezetabal (talk) 02:36, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Removed. Thank you for reporting. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 02:49, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

@Diannaa: with hindsight I think it is a mistake to paraphrase terms used in defining scales - such as the Greyon scale - so unfortunately i think we have no choice but do a copy paste. Likewise, the Common elements (2022 guidelines) table should not be paraphrased either. The terms used have precise meanings. I think that paraphrasing them is akin to changing a numerical value that has been established through consensus, or guidelines. Please let me know. bestJosezetabal (talk) 04:01, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused about Negative NDEs

The following excerpt: 'More recent research indicates that these distressing experiences generally do not [...] exhibit the same long-term transformative impact [as classical NDEs]' is seemingly contradicted by what is said in the first source of the article, which says 'These NDEs are traumatic in their realness, their rupturing the sense of worldly reality, and the power of the questions they raise'; I presume this is elaborated upon and explained in the full paper of citation 17, can someone confirm this? ThrowawayEpic1000 (talk) 19:10, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

The first source also contradicts the claim that 'most of these accounts are better understood as mislabelings of ICU delirium and delusions' ThrowawayEpic1000 (talk) 21:04, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

@ThrowawayEpic1000 thank you for your comment. I am a little lost - nowhere in the text of this WP article do I find "More recent research indicates that these distressing experiences generally do not..." or "These NDEs are traumatic in their realness, their rupturing the sense of worldly reality, and the power of the questions they raise". where did you find these excerpts? Josezetabal (talk) 06:54, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

The first one is in the 'Negative NDEs or ICU delirium and delusions' part, I removed a little bit of the text when I was quoting it for better readability (As indicated by the [...]); The second quote is in the article linked in the first source. ThrowawayEpic1000 (talk) 14:09, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

@ThrowawayEpic1000:I have re-read the text and it seems okay to me. Do you mind explaining again where you are confused? please Josezetabal (talk) 04:01, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

The article claims that negative NDEs do not have the same long-term impact as classical NDEs, which seems to be contradicted by the first source of the article, which says that they can have such long-term impacts, which is why I'm confused. ThrowawayEpic1000 (talk) 15:19, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

@ThrowawayEpic1000, I cannot find anywhere in the article where it is said that "negative NDEs can have such long-term impact". Where do you see this? Josezetabal (talk) 03:50, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

In this article, in the 'Three types of response' section. ThrowawayEpic1000 (talk) 15:35, 14 December 2025 (UTC)