Talk:Model minority

Proposed Merger: Model minority & Model minority myth

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These articles are BOTH discussing the same stereotype. And, as has been written in numerous places (Time Magazine 'How the Model Minority Myth of Asian Americans Hurts Us All'; CNBC 'How the model minority myth holds Asian Americans back at work - and what companies should do'; NPR ' 'Model Minority' Myth Again Used as a Racial Wedge Between Asians and Blacks; USC Pacifica Asia Museum 'Debunking the Model Minority Myth'; National Cancer Institute ' 'Model Minority' Stereotype'; 'Unraveling the Model Minority Stereotype: Listening to Asian American Youth' by Stacy J. Lee, and even more dangerously described as the flip side of the coin of the money-mad Jew/Asian rendered seemingly positive (Transgressions of a Model Minority by Jonathan Freedman; etc); and the list goes on, it is being addressed in most of the current discourse as a stereotype that is harmful to everyone, whether the group described as such or an outside group, whether it has become a self-identifier or is externally applied. What is the point of having two articles on the same topic? Why not merge them both into one under the subsection of stereotypes? Model Minority Myth and Model Minority Stereotype are two names for the same thing. Why not merge the content and state them as name variations? Thoughts? KnowTheManyHistories (talk) 23:16, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Model minority myth is essentially a content POV fork with plenty of WP:SYNTH and coatracking. --Altenmann >talk 09:26, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

Support merging any content that's usable and isn't duplicated. Given the somewhat essay-like POV nature of the "myth" article, it remains to be seen how much that actually is. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 04:23, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

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Statistics: Update

Statistics should probably be updated to include African countries, as an extremely high percentage of immigrants from various countries in Africa hold a Bachelor's degree or higher and the chart does not include this. KnowTheManyHistories (talk) 02:22, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

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Ambiguous language found in article

I believed that the section here should be modified with additional sources and research to better prove the claim that it makes, so that it does not come off as downplaying or minimizing anti-Asian discrimination. I believe that the article should emphasize that this statement is only applicable in general.

"While scholars of the civil rights era relied on cultural values to describe the varying successes of Asian Americans and African Americans, contemporary scholars have begun to examine the effects of the different types of racism the two ethnic groups experience. Essentially, racism in itself is not monolithic. Instead, it is perpetrated in different ways and different avenues of life in which anti-Black rhetoric often proves to be more harmful to Black personhood than situations involving anti-Asian discrimination."

I also believe that this article should have been given a high importance rating, rather than "low importance" and "mid importance". ~2026-29422-32 (talk) 05:37, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

Sources that do not mention model minority

I note many sources that do not mention "model minority" in their text. Their inclusion appears to support an original argument that is not made by the source and would therefore could be original research WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. I have checked the first 120 references and the list began to get too long. The sources found are:

• Sikhs, Hindus now part of middle-class Britain
• Sacrificial Lambs Dressed in Wolves’ Clothing: Envious Prejudice, Ideology, and the Scapegoating of Jews
• African Immigrants in the United States are the Nation's Most Highly Educated Group
• Diversity in the STEM workforce varies widely across jobs
• India and China Accounted For 82% Of U.S. H-1B Visas In 2016
• New report notes 77 percent of international students hail from Asia; F, M student population up 2 percent since May 2016
• A Comparative Analysis of High-Achieving Minority Groups: Uncovering Historical Parallels
• Academic Risk and Resilience for Children and Young People in Asia
• The Rise of Asian Americans
• New Lamps for Old: The Transformation of the Vietnamese Administrative Elite
• Learning to Stand Out Among the Standouts
• Separate GMAT Rankings for U.S. and Asian Applicants
• African Immigrants: Race and Gender Impact Economic Success
• Top Colleges Take More Blacks, but Which Ones?

Many of the sources about other countries appear to not support a model minority argument. Regarding New Zealand, the source apparently disproves the claim made.

There are other issues with the sources and how they are used. For example this article is an Australian opinion piece (for which different opinions exist) and specifically mentions "In the US, where the term “model minority” was coined, the myth is used against African-Americans ... But the Korean-American cultural studies academic Jane Park, now senior lecturer at the University of Sydney, cautions me against comparative racisms. “We don’t have the same dynamic here,” she says." The comparative racism issue is problematic across the article. Model Minority status must be found in reliable sources, not by providing some wealth statistics or someone's opinion. Travelmite (talk) 03:30, 15 August 2026 (UTC) Travelmite (talk) 03:30, 15 August 2026 (UTC)

Communities and countries with no definitive model minority

The following sections of the article refer to minorities within countries that are statistically doing well in education and wealth, however the sources do not explain they are a definitive model minority, as per the American context. The following sections have no real place in the article and are covered elsewhere in Wikipedia:

• Caribbean Americans
• Cuban success story, US
• Commonwealth countries (except for Canada)
• Hakka people, China
• Egyptian Copts and some billionaires
• French Vietnamese and Laotians (except "Criticisms")
• German Koreans
• Christian Arabs in Israel
• German Mexicans and Lebanese Mexicans
• Indonesians in the Netherlands
• The section on new African American migrants appears to be excessively length and focused on the successes of that community, with only a few sentences focused on the invisible model minority claim.

The suggested remedy is to move any information to the article about that community, unless it is already there. As it is possible readers may come to this article under the impression all well-regarded minorities are also model minorities, it would be appropriate to list the relevant articles (eg Copts in Egypt) a single short section. The remedy will also help address the "Article Size" tag. Travelmite (talk) 05:20, 15 August 2026 (UTC)

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