Talk:Lutterodt photographers

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 15:23, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

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Group portrait by Lutterodt photographers, c. 1880–85

• ... that the Lutterodt photographers worked both in their own studios in Accra and travelling along the coast of West Africa since the early 1870s?

• Source: Haney, Erin (2005). "Lutterodt family". In Lenman, Robin; Nicholson, Angela (eds.). The Oxford Companion to the Photograph. Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/acref/9780198662716.001.0001. ISBN 978-0-19-866271-6. Retrieved 2025-05-14.

** ALT1: ... that George and Albert Lutterodt were among the earliest African photographers? Source: https://www.metmuseum.org/essays/early-histories-of-photography-in-west-africa-1860-1910

• • ALT2: ... that works by the Lutterodt photographers utterly upend the notion that the camera was used primarily for 19th-century colonial purposes? Source: https://www.degruyterbrill.com/document/doi/10.1515/9780822372615-018/html , p. 375
  • ALT3: ... that George Lutterodt was one of the pioneers of African photography? Source: https://www.metmuseum.org/essays/early-histories-of-photography-in-west-africa-1860-1910
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ayman Hassouna Template:Did you know nominations/Alena Veselá

Created by Munfarid1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 32 past nominations.

Munfarid1 (talk) 06:46, 20 May 2025 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article was recently created. Source verifies hook. ALT0 just reads a tad little awkward. I think ALT1 is the most straightforward and interesting. QPQs done. Earwig said there was a possible copyvio but it looks like it was mostly just a big quote. I don't see any issues here. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:24, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

After this review, I have just crossed out ALT1 and suggest ALT3 as being the most adequate. Munfarid1 (talk) 10:15, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 and Munfarid1: The only uses of the word 'pioneers' are in the lead, where it is uncited, and in the second paragraph of Scholarly research, where it is attributed. That's not going to fly.--Launchballer 14:20, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Launchballer I don't understand what you want to have changed. As far as I know, statements in the lead do not need a citation, and the mention in the text is attributed. - Can you explain, what needs to be changed and how? - And as this only refers to ALT3, we still have ALT0 and ALT2. Munfarid1 (talk) 18:39, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Munfarid1, why did you cross out ALT1? That's the one I reviewed. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:06, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi WikiOriginal-9, I changed ALT1 to ALT3, as the written source upon close reading only refers to George Lutterodt, even though the picture is credited to both him and his son Albert. ("George Lutterodt ... was one of these pioneers who...). In order to remove any doubt about your approval of ALT3 for our nomination to be promoted, it is necessary for you to give your approval for ALT3. Munfarid1 (talk) 07:11, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

It looks like Albert is mentioned in the ALT1 source too. Launchballer already disputed ALT3. They said it needs more reliable sources calling them pioneers. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

If you still care about ALT1, it doesn't need to specifically mention George or Albert anyway. There were more members of the family than just them. It could just say:

ALT4: ... that the Lutterodt photographers were among the earliest African photographers? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:12, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

I just realised that ALT3 - which is the only one that meets WP:DYKINT in my opinion - isn't even approved. I think I'd better eat something before I promote anything else!--Launchballer 19:42, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Ok, let me try to sort this out: As Launchballer thinks that ALT3 with the word "pioneers" is the only interesting one, I have just added the following words to the second paragraph of /History/: Gerhardt Ludwig Lutterodt (born c. 1850), who was among the pioneers of photography in West Africa, and his brother George Lutterodt (1850/55–c. 1904) managed their photographic studio in Accra. This is supported at the end of this sentence by the new ref 4 (Haney (2010) p. 28 that says "The pioneer of the family was Gerhard..." and additionally by ref 5 that says "...George Lutterodt (1850/55–ca. 1904) was one of these pioneers..." as was already cited as the source for ALT3. - Now, if WikiOriginal-9 agrees, ALT3 and its attribution in the article should be alright for promotion. - Thanks for your feedback and help to get this going. Munfarid1 (talk) 14:52, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 and Launchballer: From the above comments of June 18 by WikiOriginal-9, I understand that they also approve of ALT3. (In case you don't approve, please say so here.) - Are there any comments now about promoting the article? Munfarid1 (talk) 10:25, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

That looks okay. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:03, 23 June 2025 (UTC)