Talk:Knitta Please

Good article nomination

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

After being informed of this article by somebody unaffiliated it yesterday, I have checked it over thoroughly and checked the sources, and now it has been taken off hold and open to a review, it passes all of the good article criteria, thus I'm promoting it. Congratulations and keep up the good work. Cheers, Qst 15:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Changes

Laralove, congrats on making this article GA. Now, let's make it better. Let's start with an edit you just reverted: Replacing "International Exposure" with "Works." Right now, the section contains "The group and their followers..." that is about philosophy, not exposure; a sentence about the LA job, and a sentence about a Paris job. It's not a coherent section, and certainly is not all about "International Exposure." In fact, the single sentence about Paris is the one "international" thing about it. I suggest setting up a section: "Works." PRRfan (talk) 20:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

There's information about the Great Wall of China as well as some other overseas exposure. It's just a matter of getting a reliable source, as blogs dominate searches at this point. The rename is fine, but cutting the subsections, I can't agree with that. Also, moving information from the body into the lead because of redundancy, that's totally against WP:LEAD. Lara❤Love 21:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

One thing at a time here. The "International Exposure" section has only one item about "international exposure", and doesn't even include the China bit. This part of the article's structure, therefore, makes no sense. What would make sense is one section about the group, its origins, methods, and philosophy; and one section about notable works. PRRfan (talk) 21:09, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't like the Works title at all. It implies that we are going to get into a simple list of works. International exposure shows how the group has been recognized in different nations. It certainly avoids a US-centric tag and is far more applicable than 'works.' International exposure is not the same as saying 'exposure outside of the United States.' the_undertow ^talk 01:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Now that the philosophy bit is resting elsewhere, "international exposure" works better as a subhead. PRRfan (talk) 00:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll find an RS for the China event tomorrow. I'll look for some other stuff as well. Lara❤Love 08:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Sigh. Glad we could work this out on the talk page first and all. I'll also fix the proseline and some other new issues tomorrow as well. Lara❤Love 08:02, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Stuffs

Commons:Category:Knitted graffiti

Vids Lara❤Love 21:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Notability

Notability- does this article meet the standards. I've seen more notable things than this be questioned before. I'm a knitter and I don't really find this notable enough for its own article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.155.55 (talk) 02:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Sources say yes. Lara❤Love 05:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

reported in major Australian newspaper: "The woman who wants to pull wool over our city" Sydney Morning Herald, Tim Elliott, July 7, 2009. David Woodward (talk) 02:55, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:LEAD

Lead/Intro of the article is a tad short. Could be expanded a bit more. Cirt (talk) 19:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree it is a little short, but I've seen many articles pass GAC with a lead about that length, some even shorter; so I don't think this is something to worry about too much. Qst (talk) 19:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it's appropriate for the length of the article, which is very short. It touches on all aspects, I believe. However, if you feel it can be improved, feel free to tweak and expand. Lara❤Love 20:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

This article could do with a copyedit

For example sentences like:

• "That is when they thought, "Let's do more.""
• "Knitta even gets a little "hardcore" with ideas like hanging knitted-bagged sneakers over aerial telephone cable."
• "After gaining national exposure, the group decided to hit bigger cities with bigger targets" (hit?)
• "A year later, Knitta was invited to the Los Angeles Standard Hotel, which caters to an edgy clientèle, to..."

Are pretty poor and not what I would expect to see in a GA. I'll fix it up myself if I get the time. -- Naerii 11:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Lara❤Love 19:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Suggested merge from yarn bombing

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The result was no merge. -- Rob T Firefly (talk) 01:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

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Someone placed a mergeto tag on yarn bombing suggesting it be merged into this article, so I shall start the discussion.

• Oppose - Yarn bombing is the generic term for the practice, Knitta is only one group of people who do it. I do not believe a merge is appropriate. Rob T Firefly (talk) 06:30, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. These are two very different things. Kingturtle (talk) 10:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. Knitta is a group. If "yarn bombing" was a term coined by Knitta, then it would be appropriate to merge into the article. However, this isn't a term even used in conjunction with Knitta. At least not that I've seen. لennavecia 15:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
• Favour. The term "yarn bombing" was apparently coined by Knitta. From http://www.wordspy.com/words/yarnbombing.asp:

  Earliest Citation: There's a subversive group of knitters in Montrose, Texas, ... calling themselves Knitta, that say they "yarn bomb" neighbourhoods... —Kerry MacGregor, "Not your grandma's knitting bee," The Ottawa Citizen, March 11, 2006"

  Hence, since the term originated with K, & the Y-B article is so short, it is appropriate to merge Y-B into K. The issue is more thoroughly covered in the K article. The Y-B article does not add much relevant information. The term "Yarn Bombing" could & should be retained in the Knitta article if merged, a redirect could and should also be added. David Woodward (talk) 02:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. Even if members of Knitta coined the term, they're not the only ones who use it or perform it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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Article review

It has been a while since this article has been reviewed, so I took a look and noticed that there wasn't much post-2007 information. I did an Internet search and saw some sources that might give more current information about this group. Should this article go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 02:28, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

Knitta Please

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Result: Kept. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:18, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Little post-2007 information. I did an Internet search and saw some sources that could be used to update the article. Z1720 (talk) 13:20, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

I'll take this on; @Z1720 mind telling me what sources you saw? I've dug up some stuff, but it would be nice to know what issues another person has identified. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 01:15, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@GreenLipstickLesbian: I use Google Scholar and WP:LIBRARY to find sources. Sometimes I can get access to books through archive.org or my local library system. Here are some sources that might be useful to add to the article:

• Knitting Activism, Knitting Gender, Knitting Race
• A network of yarns, a network of networks: exploring the evolution of the urban knitting movement
• Protest Knits: Got needles? Get knitting
• "Now wash your hands : uncommissioned art and gender." from WP:LIBRARY

I only did a cursory search, and didn't look into each available database at WP:LIBRARY, where more sources might be found. I also limited my search to post 2007, when this article was first promoted. Earlier sources might also be found to expand the article. Z1720 (talk) 03:56, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Z1720 Thanks, good to know where you're at with the sourcing! Notes for self for later:

• Knitting Activism, Knitting Gender, Knitting Race hey, jinx! That was my first google result too. It's pretty interesting, isn't it?
• A network of yarns attributes the yarn bombing movement to Sayeg, mentions Knitta for context. No good for expanding, unfortunately :/
• Now wash your hands attributes the yarn bombing movement to Knitta. I got this from other sources, so I guess I'll just add this to the pile and decide which ones I want to use to back up the statement. I think I'll probably go with the ones that say it's often attributed to her, though, because there's a really good argument that knit grafitti as a form of public protest started at Greenham Common. But even for the 2000s in America, Carol Hummel did it first. (Most mainstream sources are pretty crap on knitting stuff, if they can even tell the difference between it and crocheting.)
• Protest Knits by Warner is a pattern book, though Warner does has a pretty good reputation in the knitting community for her technical knitting knowledge. (And her pattern book Knit Your Own Kama Sutra actually might be Wiki-notable). That being said, looking at the book, the only fact it contains not currently in the article is the fact that one of the knitters caller herself "Loop Dogg". It also contains a pattern for a knitted womb, and that I shall be adding to my Ravelry queue. But I don't think it's that useable as a source, sorry.

... you know what, I'll probably get back to you when I have a chance to organize my own search results and update the sourcing with the academic ones, and tell you how the article's going then. Given that the group had sort of stopped existing by 2011, and they were very front loaded in terms of publicity, there's not going to be that much new post-2007 stuff to add, though I get why somebody who doesn't know much about the subject matter might think otherwise on first glance! Looks like the author kept things pretty up to date as well. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 05:33, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Z1720 Done. Ended up making a few edits not related to GA criteria. I might go in and add some more exhibitions later, but the vast majority didn't recieve much coverage in high quality, retrospective sources so I don't think I'm going to include many and I think the article is broad enough without a bunch of minutiae like that. Article has increased by about 100 words, if you're curious. Which is, again, probably as long as it's going to get because more modern sources simply repeat the older newsy-type ones, in most cases.

I suspect Indubitably isn't going to like that I've moved the article name back to Knitta, but I think Sayeg only renamed her blog and I can't find high quality sources saying different. (And of course she's at knittaporfavor now, but the only documentation of that I found was a master's thesis. And no way am I using that for contentious BLP facts.) I left the article itself at Knitta Please because, unofficial or not, it's the common name (and I can't move pages over redirects) GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 21:47, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. Article has been updated, and hopefully interested editors will keep looking for more sources to help flesh out some information. It looks like the sources I suggested were more useful for replacing lesser quality sources, which is a shame. Hopefully, more sources will be produced in the coming years to update this article. Z1720 (talk) 21:54, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

  

  What the knitting pattern book was good for. (jk, heavily modified it to the point it's no longer the original pattern because I didn't like the cast on, shaping, cast off, or finishing details provided in the pattern!)

  Ah, sorry, there's been a misunderstanding! No, three out of the four sources were unusable in this article because of some combination of relevance, accuracy, and reliability. I ended up using the sources I'd already found on my own, for the most part. Thanks for finding them anyway! Agree with you on the hopefully better sources will be produced. I think I hope that's true for all articles, don't you? GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 01:29, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

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