Talk:Kale

Kale in Scandinavia

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants#Kale_in_Scandinavia, for the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:20, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Frost

"Kale can become sweeter in taste after a heavy frost."

Sweeter than what? Is kale harvested before the frosts anywhere? Here in Germany at least, kale is not considered ready for harvest until it has gone through at least one frost. --91.34.39.13 (talk) 08:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

"Kale is high in oxalic acid"

I don't think that's correct. The article oxalic acid says it's very low. --Chaptagai (talk) 11:13, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

I see that the high in oxalic acid sentence is still in the article, but the sources I found seem to vary about it, mostly stating it is low on oxalates. The article quotes a 2018 paper where it is stated 100 grams of fresh Galega kale has around 300 mg of oxalic acid, which is quite high. But is it just a specific cultivar having a high oxalate content? This table from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health states 1 cup of raw kale (probably ~60 grams, no cultivar specified) has 0.7 mg: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutrition-questionnaire-service-center/wp-content/uploads/sites/2637/2023/11/OXALATE-TABLE-1.xlsx ThisNameIsAvailable (talk) 21:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Russian kale

This article starts by stating that kale is a form of Brassica oleracea, but then it also covers Russian kale, which is B napus var pabularia. We need to deal with this conflict, either by broadening the lead para to cover both, or by separating the two into different articles. Which would be better? Richard New Forest (talk) 09:43, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Biennial plant

it is. You can harvest leaves and stem the first year, the plant is blooming and ripening seeds the second year. I have corrected that. Wolfgang Kaul (talk) 21:17, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Duplicate wikidata entries causes problems for alternate language links

I tried update the sitelinks to inklude the norwegian bokmål article Grønnkål and nynorsk Grønkål I was then sent to this page kale (Q45989) but when I try to add the links it fails because it's already linked here kale (Q61676627) And on the latter one the english pagelink is a redirect page that redirects back to this page. I don't seem to have access to merge those two entries but the second one seems redundant to me. Qvasi (talk) 12:50, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

The items can't be merged because French Wikipedia has two articles, fr:Chou kale linked to Q45989 and fr:Chou frisé linked to Q61676627. Q45989 is about a vegetable derived from multiple plant taxa at variety rank (which may very well all be synonyms of one variety), while Q6167662 is about one of those varieties. I'm not sure where the bokmål and nynorsk articles should best be linked (or where articles in all other languages are best linked), but it is pretty typical to have separate Wikidata items for a fruit/vegetable and the plant taxa that produce the fruit/vegetable. Plantdrew (talk) 18:37, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

Looking at a random selection of articles linked from both kale (Q45989) which lumps together 4 varieties of "Brassica oleracea" and for some reason "Brassica napus subsp. napus var. pabularia" which isn't even the same species; and Brassica oleracea var. sabellica (Q61676627), most of the articles (all I've found so far except the English article, and the French article about "Chou kale") seems to be about "Brassica oleracea var. sabellica" i.e. curly kale.

And also most of the English article is also about curly kale with just a few somewhat confusing sections where the other varieties are mentioned.

One of the varieties which we in Norwegian call "svartkål" (lit. black cabbage), already has its own article Lacinato kale

I think it would be better if the English Kale article was only about "Brassica oleracea var. sabellica" and the mentions of the other varieties moved to separate articles and there could be a "Se also" section linking to the other varieties sometimes also ambiguously referred to as just "kale" in English. Then all the articles that refer to the specific cultivar (which so far seems to be all of them) could be moved from Q45989 to Q61676627. And the English links could be swapped so that the Q45989 links to the redirect page (or possibly a new mini article disambiguating the various varieties and species sometimes just called "kale"), and Q61676627 links to "Kale".

Qvasi (talk) 09:59, 6 September 2026 (UTC)