Talk:Ghirth

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 May 2023

Along the Rajput and Brahmans, Girth is another dominant caste in the Politics of Himachal Pradesh. Rishabhchaudhary (talk) 12:03, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

References

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -Lemonaka‎ 22:23, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 July 2023

Current sentence: "After the Rajput and Brahmans, there is another dominant caste Girth in the Politics of Himanchal."

Corrected sentence: "Girth is a dominant caste in the politics of Himachal Pradesh." Rishabhchaudhary (talk) 17:20, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 19:02, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

source: Sud, Onkar Chand (1992). Administrative Problems of Rural Development in India. ISBN 9788185475158 Rishabhchaudhary (talk) 05:38, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

You need to start a discussion, edit requests are not for that. Slatersteven (talk) 10:43, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Request for Inclusion/Update on Girth Caste (Kshatriya Varna) on Wikimedia

Dear Wikimedia Editor,

I would like to request the inclusion or update of information regarding the Girth caste on Wikimedia, specifically clarifying that the Girths belong to the Kshatriya varna. This is substantiated by scholarly sources and documented fieldwork.

One such reference is from the book by D.K. ChoudharyVerna Status, where the author cites Parry (1979) on page 121. The relevant excerpt highlights the historical and social relationship between Girths and Rajputs:

"The Girths revolt left many Rajputs in something of a quandary since traditionally Girths have been their domestic servants... But in their attempt to claim a higher status the Girths have refused to do this sort of menial work... They boycotted those of their members who continued to work for the Rajputs on same old basis."

The author then notes:

Presently, the Ghrists do not claim themselves to be Rajputs but are not ready to part with their legitimate, genuine and historical status of being Kshatriyas. This clearly indicates that the Girth caste identifies historically and socially with the Kshatriya varna, although they distinguish themselves from Rajputs.

In addition to this, the book provides an ethnographic description of Girth village life, emphasizing their independent agrarian lifestyle and communal structures, which further supports their recognition as a distinct Kshatriya community with a non-servile self-image.

I believe this documentation justifies the inclusion of the Girth caste under the Kshatriya varna on Wikimedia. I am happy to provide scans or citations if needed for verification.

Thank you for your attention to this request.

Sincerely, Khatta Group — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khattagroup (talk • contribs) 18:51, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Request for updates regarding origins, martial history, and notable personalities

Hello editors,

I would like to propose a few well-sourced additions/updates to the Ghirath page:

1. Origins & History: The Ghirath (also Bahti/Chahang) community has deep agrarian and historical roots in the ancient Trigarta region (Kangra Valley). According to regional historical literature and British ethnographical surveys (such as A Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North-West Frontier Province* by H.A. Rose), the community formed the primary infantry and agricultural base of the hill principalities.

2. Notable Personalities: Jay Chaudhry, the billionaire CEO and founder of Zscaler, belongs to the Ghirath/Bahti/Chaudhary community from Panoh village in Una district, Himachal Pradesh.

I request experienced editors to review these additions and include them with appropriate citations to keep the article comprehensive and neutral.

Thank you. Rohan07071998 (talk) 10:30, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

Then please provide the sources, so we can assess them? Slatersteven (talk) 10:45, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

Here are the references for the proposed details:

1. Ethnographical & Historical Reference (Origins & Infantry):

Book: A Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North-West Frontier Province (Vol. 2, Pages 287–291)

Author: H. A. Rose (based on the Census Report for the Punjab, 1883 by Sir Denzil Ibbetson)

Details: Documents the Ghirath, Bahti, and Chang communities as the primary agrarian and military/infantry population of the Kangra Valley and lower hill principalities.

1. Jay Chaudhry (Notable Personality):

News Profile / Source: Forbes / Business Standard / Times of India profiles covering Jay Chaudhry (Founder & CEO of Zscaler).

Reference Link: https://www.forbes.com/profile/jay-chaudhry/

Details: Verifies his origin from Panoh village, Una district, Himachal Pradesh, where his parents were local farmers from the regional Chaudhary/Ghirath community.

Please let me know if these sources are sufficient or if additional citations are required. Thanks! ~2026-42206-46 (talk) 10:50, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

Well I seem to recall that Raj era books are not regarded as RS for caste-based subjects. And a source has to say it, direclty, does it say he is a Ghirth? Slatersteven (talk) 10:52, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying the consensus regarding Raj-era sources and WP:SYNTH policies.

I understand that modern peer-reviewed sociological studies or secondary sources explicitly naming the community are required for caste-related articles. I will look for modern academic references and explicit coverage before proposing further edits to this page.

Thanks for your guidance! ~2026-42206-46 (talk) 10:55, 30 July 2026 (UTC)