Talk:Garkon

Gurgurdo

At Gurgurdo, the border between Ladakh and Baltistan was set up in the 17th century followed by the battle between the kingdom of Ali Sher Khan anchan and Gyalpo Jamyang Namgail.It has a sequence of seven strategically placed watchtowers, now in ruins, along the open terrain of the village that were previously guarded by both kingdoms which confirm this historical aspect. (Vohra 1982)(Bhasin 2004)

What has been sourced from Bhasin 2004? TrangaBellam (talk) 16:02, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Is Ghargurdo/Gurgurdho/Gurgurdo an official hamlet of Garkon? I doubt. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:33, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

@Kautilya3:, what are the coords of this place? TrangaBellam (talk) 16:55, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

OSM location. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:08, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Ty; for reasons unknown to me, GMap overlay the entire area with a pixelated mask! Expectedly, opposite Chulichan and about 7 miles away from Garkon. I cannot understand why the hamlet is not mentioned in the official list! TrangaBellam (talk) 17:58, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Shaw puts it ("Gragra") in the Garkon-Darchik group. So, I don't think it ever belonged to Chulichan. (Recall that Chulichan had been annexed to Baltistan. It somehow fell on the Indian side in 1947-48.) My guess is that it is presently in Darchik because there is a road connection to it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:57, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

The 1916 Survey of India map shows the borders between the tehsils. (Need to enlarge a lot to find them.) It puts Garkon in the Leh tehsil and Darchik in the Kargil tehsil!

And Kargil included, not only Ganokh, but all the way till Khaplu! The political frontier had nothing to do with the ethnic divisions. It appears that Zorawar Singh "annexed" all this territory when he went to invade Baltistan, whereas Skardu was left under an heir (Mohammad Shah).

The Pakistani response to all these dilemmas is:

In 1947 two tehsils of Kargil and Ladakh also belonged to Baltistan but they fell outside the control of the administration of Baltistan as a result of ceasefire agreement with India in 1948. (Dani, p 6)

So it was the "ceasefire agreement" (which was totally unfair to Pakistan) that divided the country, not the war! The war should have logically continued until "Baltistan" was made whole again. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 06:59, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Also in the 1916 map is the label "GRAGARDO" for the valley of the Yaldor Nala (or perhaps to the mountains there). The Indian military has further distorted its spelling to "Gragario" and "Gragrio" . -- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:43, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

So, when people say Tsewang Namgyal and Ali Sher Khan set the border at "Grugurdo", it does not necessarily mean the village of Gruguro. It could well be the Grugordo valley. That would mean the Kargil–Leh boundary in the 1916 survey map dates back to that time. (The border wasn't altered by Sengge Namgyal because the Skardu rulers were his cousins and, after him, Ladakh was never strong enough to fight Skardu.) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:01, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Moved from Talk:Garkone

@Third003: please can you supply cooordinates of this place? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:16, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

@MSGJ: The coordinates here are 34.634905°N, 76.432720°E. I believe Garkone and Garkon refer to the same village, which is now administered under Sham district. Third003 (talk) 08:48, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

Understood. So probably better to merge this article in Garkon and then redirect? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:33, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

@MSGJ: Okay, then let’s merge the two articles and clean up the Garkon article by removing or addressing any points that don’t have reliable sources. Third003 (talk) 11:19, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

@Third003 Please check my merge and update as necessary — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:57, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

@MSGJ: I’ve checked the merge and it looks good to me. Thank you for handling it. I’ll also review the Garkon article and update or remove any information that cannot be supported by reliable sources. Third003 (talk) 14:41, 27 September 2026 (UTC)