Talk:Falangism

Pervasiveness?

I read statements like "This affiliation might eventually aim at a commonwealth or federation of Spanish-speaking states headed by Spain" and it is not clear to me whether there are still people who adhere to this ideology or if it a historic artifact. I thought this was part of the Franco regime but this article reads as if Falangists are still active. Can anyone offer any historic context and geographic context?

Where and when did this ideology develop? Is it limited to Spain or is it held by political parties in other countries? Does it still exist in Spain? Or did it die when Franco did? 69.125.134.86 (talk) 20:50, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm part Spaniard and have studied falangism. The party you linked is the original spirit of falangism (fascist authoritarianism) not the falangism that fizzled out when Franco died. Under Franco the ideals became a lot more of a case of classic right-wing authoritarianism and I'd make a case that both he and Salazar were not evil dictators - they hold an important role in the history of my people. The ideology developed in reaction to the weakness of the Spanish republic and overthrow of the monarchy - anarchists, socialists and communists sparked the Spanish civil war and tried to tear Spain apart. Franco in a military coup took control of the situation, imprisoned and killed many of the aggressors, and rolled back the weaknesses of the Spanish Republic. Kazuok (talk) 04:13, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

References

Meaning of "Falange"?

What does the word "falange" mean? I didn't see it explained anywhere in the article. Is it like "Front" in French? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 05:51, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Essentially phalanx. Kazuok (talk) 04:14, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Clearly it means "The Finger" ~2025-40307-73 (talk) 18:03, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Conservatism Sidebar in lieu of fascism - A case for it.

Falangism under Franco transitioned from a largely fascist ideology to a more conservative authoritarian state. As a person whose studied Falangism and admires some of its conservative merits I think that it really stands that calling Falangism (and Franco) fascists is a biased setup and that we should replace it with conservatism sidebar.

Failing that, I can make an authoritarianism/autocracy sidebar (if it doesn't already exist) and add that in. Either way, calling and linking Falangism with fascism is a bias, and violates NPOV. Kazuok (talk) 04:14, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Doesn't matter if it's biased if it's true. Is it true? Guylaen (talk) 10:01, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Whereas I am concerned that somebody (you Kazuok?) has purged mention of fascism from the page, and apparently taken the category out as well. I expected to see a lot of debate on this Talk page about it but was surprised to see none. Everything on the page points towards the well-known reality that the falangists were fascists but somehow the word is not mentioned. This is very poor. I am not a regular wikipedia editor - just stopped by to say this is a big problem. At present the page seems to have been edited by someone or some people lacking objectivity, with an agenda of rehabilitating Falangism. I will put something in if I can.

Question

Is this article about an ideology or about a political movement? Yes, yes, it can be about both at the same time too, yes, but if that were the case, it needs to be structured much, much better. Do scholars comment on it as full-fledged set of ideas (worldview) outside of typifying as variant of Spanish fascism with some perks, and the mention of the 27 points? If they do not, the rest of the article is sorrily framed. I've checked a couple of sources, and there is a lot of synth in the article if the intention is to describe an ideology as the first paragraph states. This article is confusing.--Asqueladd (talk) 01:07, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

What is the synthesis in the article? You haven't said above what it specifically is.--BlueberryA96 (talk) 01:46, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Autarky

Was autarky part of the ideology or was it just forced upon Spain due to international isolation? --Error (talk) 13:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

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Falangism in Lebanon.

I noticed that there has been next to know mention of Falangism in Lebanon, mainly through the Kataeb Party. 2601:CF:4500:E250:4D7:BE:341B:20B8 (talk) 23:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

While Falangist in name and in some ways visually it is a more capitalist system. Falangism is based upon National Syndaclism. DeMartinez88 (talk) 19:19, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

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It was and is Fascism

According to Dr Lawrence Britt's 14 Characteristics of Fascism

1. Powerful and continuing Nationalism....................Yes

2. Disdain for human rights...... Absolutely

3. Identification of enemies scapegoats as unifying cause.....Sure

4. Supremacy of the military.........Yes

5. Rampant sexism.....Oh yes

6. Controled Press---Definitely

7. Obsession with national security.....¿Como no?

8. Religion and government intertwined......Duh

9. Corporate power protected...Okay

10. Labour power is suppressed....¿remember?

11. Disdain for intellect and arts..."¡Viva la muerte!."

12.Obsession with crime and punishment....Si señor.

13. Rampant Corruption and cronyism....er...yes

14.Fraudulent Elections.....¿what elections?

Dr Britt's article 'Fascism anyone?' was published 2003 in the journal Free Enquiry. ~2025-40813-41 (talk) 11:57, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

WP:OR, you're making your own assumptions using Britt's work as a first-hand source, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. ~2025-35140-61 (talk) 15:26, 17 January 2026 (UTC)

Britt's work is not academic and seems extremely subjective and biased. There are numerous problems with this definition, its obvious political biases and lack of objectivity. This goes for many modern day definitions that fail to maintain historical objectivity in an attempt to use the label 'fascism' to discredit other modern groups. There has been a good discussion of this in this discussion page.

In regards to modern definitions, widely CREDITED academics who attempt to provide a definition are Stanley G. Payne, Roger Griffin, and Kevin Passmore.

However, these scholars do agree that falangism does meet their definitions of fascism, Payne stating "Unlike many other fascist movements, the Falange did develop an official program, the Twenty-Seven Points, before the close of 1934. These exhibited all the main points of fascistic doctrine, and in the economic sphere called for the development of a complete national syndicalist state." (Payne, 1980 p. 149).

It is merely the point of using more academic sources that seems the issue. Anded1 (talk) 13:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the "Labour Power is Suppressed" part because the Falange's goals were primarily National Syndicalist,and focused on Pan-Hispanicism (If that is what the Pan-Nationalist ideology is for that).Note:Keep in mind that Fascism isn't inherently Anti-Semitic or Racist,it just rejects people who don't conform to the National Identity.No,I'm not a Fascist,that's just basic knowledge. The1PoliticalKid (talk) 18:01, 19 July 2026 (UTC)

WP:NOTFORUM Kire1975 (talk) 19:28, 19 July 2026 (UTC)

I understand that this is not a forum.I'm just taking into account facts about Falangism and Fascism. The1PoliticalKid (talk) 19:12, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

But,still,I'd be more than happy to delete my comment if it goes against guidelines. The1PoliticalKid (talk) 19:14, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

This article needs a rewrite, but what should its focus be on?

I had a discussion with a user awhile ago on the need to rewrite this article. It has been said that there is a lot of synthesis in this article so a rewrite looks needed. The scope of what this article seeks to address is also an issue. There is Falangism and Francoism, and most of the Falange's influence was under Franco, but it did have a pre-Franco period. I'm not familiar with the post-Franco period of Falangist factions afterwards. I suppose the situation is like that between Marxism-Leninism and Stalinism, Stalin was huge in shaping Marxism-Leninism and it was Stalinist during his rule but it did have a post-Stalinist period.

I think the distinction should be between Falangist ideology as opposed to a general history of Franco's regime's politics outside of Falangist ideology.

I've added some content to the intro about Falangism in relation to fascism as addressed in the article First Francoism. BlueberryA96 (talk) 03:33, 10 May 2026 (UTC)