Talk:Clint Grant

Thanks

My thanks to his son for—or for helping me find—much of the information in this article. :) —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 07:39, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Potential DYK hook

... that Clint Grant was the only photographer to accompany John F. Kennedy on his November 1963 trip from Washington, D.C., to Dallas, Texas? —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 06:50, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Chose instead a better one. —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 🖖 07:45, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Clint Grant/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: BenLinus1214 (talk · contribs) 01:25, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I'll review this shortly. BenLinus1214^talk 01:25, 1 July 2015 (UTC) @ATinySliver: Major Comments

• There's some sourcing things, especially because the first paragraph of the "Early life" section is unsourced.

• Numerous invisible comments within the article; see further explanations below.

• You have a lot of non-free images in this article, and I honestly think you don't need all three. The tiger cub is the least relevant, and you might convince me to keep the other two, but if I had to choose one, it would be the post-Kennedy assassination one.

• Tiger removed. The other two are highly historical in nature. Edit: tiger restored and funeral removed upon further review of the FU criteria. We can make a strong case for the tiger with its accompanying text. The historical image with Ike Altgens and the Newmans is correctly transformative in nature; the funeral image was not.

Specific comments

• The two lead paragraphs are not equal enough—find another place to break it.

• Do you have a suggestion? (Edit: meantime, I've re-read WP:LEAD—more specifically, WP:LEADLENGTH—and WP:WBA#Lead section, and I can find nothing about balanced paragraphs with respect to length. Do you have a link to something I've missed? This is the first time I've seen such a thing suggested.) (Edit: I've looked at similar GAs and did some additional work.)

• In the lead, the death sentences should be combined: "Grant died in Dallas at age 93 of heart failure.

• A single-sentence paragraph would not pass a theoretical FA. Again, do you see a logical place for a different graf break? (see edits above)

• First "early life" paragraph is entirely unsourced.

• See invisible comments; there are several within the article that explain spots that might appear unsourced otherwise. This is the recommended style per WP:LINK.

• "they had" instead of "they'd"

• Fixed.

• "Grant once said he had his own tricks…" this paragraph is a bit confusing…there's a lot of jargon with no links and it's a bit informal.

• Fixed.

• "The candidates in Texas, 1960": do you need all this background? Also, clean up the tone. Does this need its own subsection?

• Yes; historically pertinent per the DMN, but appropriately brief per WP:UNDUE. (see edit below)

• Put a ref after "when we heard one shot—pause—two shots in rapid succession."

• Added invisible comment referencing the next invisible comment. (Edit: I've now added a couple of these.)

• "Several photographers are also seen in the frame…" source?

• Fixed.

• "Reporters Remember 11-22-1963" shouldn't get its own section—maybe a subsection.

• Sorry, I disagree on this one, and strongly. This was a 30th anniversary panel in which Grant was one of the journalists reminiscing on that day in Dallas. Edit: I've rearranged the sections and subs.

• For the awards part, ref name it a few times throughout the paragraph to make it seem more wide-reaching.

• Invisible comment added. Otherwise, I'm missing your point—are you suggesting WP:OVERCITE?

Be sure to clear this stuff up, especially the major comments. BenLinus1214^talk 02:22, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

@BenLinus1214: see above. I look forward to your further comments. —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 03:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

@ATinySliver: This is looking a lot better to me. On the invisible comments, I don't see why you shouldn't just ref name all the refs and place them in appropriate locations, for several reasons—one, I don't see anything about invisible comments at WP:LINK, second, invisible comments do not appear to readers of the article and thus do not provide the reader with a source to verify or find more information. If you can find a guideline that proves me wrong, please do so. Other than that, I'm comfortable passing. BenLinus1214^talk 03:16, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

@BenLinus1214: Well, shit—this was something someone else pointed out to me during a previous GAN, and now I can't find it. Okay, gimme a few minutes. —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 03:51, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

That oughta do it. Thanks so much for your help and input! —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 04:05, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Great! That's better. Pass. BenLinus1214^talk 01:28, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again! —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 🖖 01:32, 3 July 2015 (UTC)