Talk:Carnosauria

Egg addition

The following section was just added. I am concerned that this is the same as the stuff that was declared not to be eggs shortly afterward:

On Sep 12, 2009, a group of scientists in India found a huge clulster of eggs that they believed to be of Carnosaur. That dinosaurs once roamed the area was known from the fossils found there on earlier expeditions. But this is the first time that hundreds of nests embedded with hundreds of clusters of dinosaur eggs have been unearthed in the Ariyalur district in Tamil Nadu.

J. Spencer (talk) 23:22, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Merge Proposal

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The result of this discussion no support to avoid or dispute the merge. The merge was then executed. A Cynical Idealist (talk) 06:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

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Support: Allosauroidea and Carnosauria have been given equivalent definitions in the literature, which is noted in the articles. The only possible difference between the two taxa would be the inclusion of megalosauroids within Carnosauria if Rauhut and Pol's hypothesis is correct, which is far from certain. Allosauroidea is used more regularly in recent literature, but various publications are inconsistent about which name to use (if they are synonyms, which is not universally agreed upon). Google scholar gives 1330 results for "Carnosauria" and 884 results for "Allosauroidea". It's unclear which taxon has nomenclatural priority (Allosauroidea was named first but not formally defined until after Carnosauria), and since 2019 researchers have begun to use Carnosauria with increasing frequency.

Until this debate is resolved, I think the conservative approach is to consolidate these two articles. If and when the debate is fully settled, and Carnosauria can either be elaborated on independently of Allosauroidea or else abandoned altogether, but until then, the most comprehensive coverage of this ongoing scientific discussion should be in one place. There's also a fair amount of redundant content between the two articles, which is another point in support of merging. A Cynical Idealist (talk) 02:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

A draft of the merged article is available here. A Cynical Idealist (talk) 22:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

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Megaraptoran taxonomy

Seems like there's a sizeable edit war going on concerning the phylogenetic placement of Megaraptora. Instead of constantly going back and forth it would be best to discuss and then make an edit when a consensus is reached. The Morrison Man (talk) 23:08, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

I believe the main problem with placing them there is that majority of researchers don’t really place them as Megaraptora anymore, with a few studies currently. The main reason why I advised not adding them in because over the last few years only like two studies so far has placed them into Carnosauria.

I wouldn’t mind adding them again if we begin to see more studies reclassifying them as Carnosauria, but until then there’s kinda no point imo ExplorerKing (talk) 14:42, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

If they are added I think it would be more appropriate to use a "possible members" collapsible rather than an inclusion with the rest of the taxon list. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 21:33, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Main reason why the others are still there because there’s a consistent back and forth with if they were Carnosauria or not, this isn’t the case with Megaraptora, there’s a growing consensus that their Coelurosauria. ExplorerKing (talk) 23:13, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Carcharodontosaur

Why does the "disambiguation" of Carcharodontosaur lead here, instead of Carcharodontosaurus or Carcharodontosauridae? It took a while to find either when I wanted to find out what a "carcharodontosaur" was, and looking for that specific clade. Without persistence I might have missed them. 2001:56A:F0E9:9B00:D8D2:D797:400B:5777 (talk) 06:41, 8 May 2025 (UTC)JustSomeWikiReader

"Carcharodontosaur" is an informal term with no real definition. The redirect should point to the largest clade to which this name could be applied, which would be either Carcharodontosauria or Carcharodontosauriformes, both of which are within the scope of this article. A Cynical Idealist (talk) 19:33, 8 May 2025 (UTC)