Talk:Brock Lesnar

Remove Retired/text in bio that states he retired

Lesnar left his boots in the ring at Wrestlemania on April 19, 2026, signaling he is retired from wrestling. However, WWE has not confirmed he is retired. Suggest it should be removed that he retired in his info box and in the body of his article. Maybe it can describe what happened (ie: post-match, Lesnar left his boots in the ring, leaving the future of his career unknown.) ~2026-20949-74 (talk) 23:00, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

Done .. for now. Bringingthewood (talk) 03:16, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2026

It has not been confirmed by WWE that Brock retired. Fans are speculating because he left his boots and gloves in the ring. Suggest to remove "retired" from his infobox, as well as in the body of the content. ~2026-20949-74 (talk) 00:39, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

 Done: Hopefully the speculation will end soon. We would need a reliable source added to his article to keep him retired. Bringingthewood (talk) 03:26, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi! I saw this is listed as done, but his article says retired still in the info box. ~2026-20949-74 (talk) 18:50, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

Should all be fixed now. — Czello ^(music) 19:29, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

Man, I hope he never retires. I do love the ins and outs of an infobox. Thanks for fixing that Czello. Bringingthewood (talk) 21:51, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

It was fixed...infobox is back to saying Retired, as well as in the intro copy... ~2026-20949-74 (talk) 20:09, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

I tried to remove it again. This page is getting annoying to deal with. Some people should respect the 'Good Article' designation and add black and white references. Even though we know that wrestling isn't always that. Bringingthewood (talk) 21:17, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

Can the page be protected any further? It's semi protected currently..can it change to extended or full protection? ~2026-20949-74 (talk) 01:00, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing. I believe this type of editing would need to be persistent (on a daily basis) for it to get to that point. P.S. We always hope not to get blocked in the meantime. ;) Bringingthewood (talk) 01:06, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

Wrestlemania Main Events

Tagging @Czello and @MichaelJames98. To reiterate my reasoning: essentially a mix of WP:FANCRUFT and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. A lot of wrestlers' have bloated pages dedicated to a lot of arbiturary achievements that just don't need to be mentioned unless notable. That goes with how many Wrestlemania Main Events a wrestler has participated in and a whole list of others. Lemonademan22 (talk) 21:45, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

I agree. The list is fairly arbitrary. — Czello ^(music) 21:46, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

How is it arbitrary when almost every major wrestler page on wikipedia is filled with way less important accomplishments than this? Especially in the legacy sections

just take a look at Steve Austin,Hulk Hogan,Dwayne Johnson pages for examples

there are tons of more wrestlers,those are just examples

A lot of modern wrestlers have accomplishments on their pages that’s actually Fancrufty because it isn’t actually undisputed fact

like saying the four horsewomen (Becky Lynch,Sasha Banks,Bayley,Charlotte Flair) influenced the women division forever because there were so many other factors that led to that

influence is an opinion that many experts disagree on

Meanwhile Wrestlemania is the longest running ppv in pro wrestling history,that’s a fact,we have tons of statements that we can use as a reason to show why headlining wrestlemania is an important accomplishment to tons of wrestlers,definitely more important than winning a mid card title and definitely more important than winning a title from an independent promotion which is all over wikipedia

CM Punk left WWE for 10 years because they didn’t let him main event Wrestlemania

Becky Lynch said in a documentary if you were a wrestler that’s getting into the business,your goal is to main event Wrestlemania

also it is there to show how big of a box office attraction brock lesnar and the other wrestlers that you edited their pages were

and i say it again you removed this part but left out the part of him headlining some of the biggest UFC ppvs of all time

it isn’t fancrufty,it is to showcase how big of a draw/star/box office attraction he was,those were some of the biggest shows ever

we can add a note before that before it to make it clear MichaelJames98 (talk) 22:04, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

And by the way since there is a claim of 2 vs 1

when @ToBeFree edited this page few months ago,he made it clear when he left this in there

both of you are reversing what he did MichaelJames98 (talk) 22:09, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

All he did was restore a stable revision:

He didn't say that there was any established consensus for anything to remain or be removed. Lemonademan22 (talk) 22:42, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

Respond to what i wrote above,please MichaelJames98 (talk) 22:52, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

So you weren’t literally blocked for 2 weeks and he reversed your edits and protected the page afterwards?

by the way when you made tons of edits to the page,you literally added the part of him headlining wrestlemania 5 times and summmerslam for 9 times

this literally happened in March

that should make you lose credibility

you literally added that thing you are calling fancrufty out of sudden

that should end the argument MichaelJames98 (talk) 23:06, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

By the way @Czello as well

regarding you last edit

It isn’t about how long it has been on the page

you literally made an edit on this page a couple months ago and you added that part in

you literally added that part in March,what changed?

i remember as well MichaelJames98 (talk) 23:09, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

I was not blocked in March regarding this page. I don't remember adding anything about Lesnar headlining any event. If you could provide a link that'd be pretty helpful. Lemonademan22 (talk) 00:09, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Yeah it was someone else

but Czello was involved in it and he is claiming 2 vs 1 for something he himself added a few months ago MichaelJames98 (talk) 00:51, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Anyway i’m still waiting for you to respond to my long explanation above about Wrestlemania main events and why it isn’t fancrufty MichaelJames98 (talk) 00:58, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

I cannot see where I ever added that in March. I can see where I reverted you on something, but this particular section wasn't part of it as far as I can see. — Czello ^(music) 05:59, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

You did,it was the same exact section MichaelJames98 (talk) 08:03, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Can you link the diff? Perhaps I missed it. — Czello ^(music) 08:07, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, but all I did was restoring a stable revision while fully-protecting a page. Disputed content may not be restored without a consensus here (WP:BLPRESTORE, WP:ONUS). I have no opinion on the dispute, just that restoring disputed content while it is under discussion would be problmatic. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:41, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

I’m still waiting on Czello and Lemonademan22 to respond to my long comment and their logic of thinking main eventing Wrestlemania isn’t notable meanwhile on wikipedia we mention if someone won the NBA MVP award

thank yoh ToBeFree for the protection but you should restore it to what it was MichaelJames98 (talk) 22:34, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

You do realise we can still edit it, right? To repeat myself, just because something else exists does not inherintly justify something else. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, I won't repeat this point again. According to Wikipedia policy, such mention of main eventing Wrestlemania is indeed fancruft and not notable in Brock Lesnar's case. Lemonademan22 (talk) 00:59, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

I’m talkimg about why Wrestlemania main event is an important accomplishment compared to mentioning independent wrestling titles all over wikipedia profiles,heck even Dave Meltzer’s awards and other unimportant awards are all over the website

awards voted on by 500 people of ‘opinions’

then how is this not notable? MichaelJames98 (talk) 02:13, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

How is it arbitrary when almost every major wrestler page on wikipedia is filled with way less important accomplishments than this? Especially in the legacy sections

just take a look at Steve Austin,Hulk Hogan,Dwayne Johnson pages for examples

there are tons of more wrestlers,those are just examples

A lot of modern wrestlers have accomplishments on their pages that’s actually Fancrufty because it isn’t actually undisputed fact

like saying the four horsewomen (Becky Lynch,Sasha Banks,Bayley,Charlotte Flair) influenced the women division forever because there were so many other factors that led to that

influence is an opinion that many experts disagree on

Meanwhile Wrestlemania is the longest running ppv in pro wrestling history,that’s a fact,we have tons of statements that we can use as a reason to show why headlining wrestlemania is an important accomplishment to tons of wrestlers,definitely more important than winning a mid card title and definitely more important than winning a title from an independent promotion which is all over wikipedia

CM Punk left WWE for 10 years because they didn’t let him main event Wrestlemania

Becky Lynch said in a documentary if you were a wrestler that’s getting into the business,your goal is to main event Wrestlemania

also it is there to show how big of a box office attraction brock lesnar and the other wrestlers that you edited their pages were

and i say it again you removed this part but left out the part of him headlining some of the biggest UFC ppvs of all time

it isn’t fancrufty,it is to showcase how big of a draw/star/box office attraction he was,those were some of the biggest shows ever

we can add a note before that before it to make it clear MichaelJames98 (talk) 02:14, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

What is in other wrestlers' articles is irrelevant. Ultimately I'm against an extensive list of arbitrary PPV names he's he headlined. It takes up excessive space and I don't think it's interesting to the reader to know each specific WrestleMania or Summer slam etc. — Czello ^(music) 05:00, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

This isn’t about Brock Lesnar only by the way,John Cena,Cody Rhodes,CM Punk as well

those pages were edited MichaelJames98 (talk) 05:09, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

And is it intersting for the readers to have awards from outlets called wrestlecrap or websites that no one have heard of? Look at some of the awards in the championships and accomplishments sections for so many wrestlers MichaelJames98 (talk) 05:10, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

This is in John Cena’s page :

WrestleCrap

Gooker Award (2025)

And other wrestlers MichaelJames98 (talk) 05:11, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

Actually, it is just about Brock Lesnar for now as this is his article's talk page. Though I do feel similar lists should be removed from other pages.

You keep making WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments. They're fallacies. — Czello ^(music) 06:00, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

It isn’t about other stuff exists,You still haven’t responded to me why headlining wrestlemania isn’t a notable accomplishment

i find it bizzare MichaelJames98 (talk) 06:36, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

If you think it takes a lot of space,we can mention how many times they headlined wrestlemania (the number) instead of listing every single wrestlemania they headlined

same with summerslam MichaelJames98 (talk) 06:37, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

nobody responded to my argument for 2 days,seems to me that @ToBeFree should change it back since the other gentleman didn’t go into the weeds with me regarding how wrestlemania main event isn’t a notable accomplishment even though it is always pointed out all over wikipedia who headlined each wrestlemania in different ways

compared to other pay per views MichaelJames98 (talk) 08:37, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

People tend to stop responding when discussions run in circles or you keep repeating the same arguments. This doesn't mean you've won or something. Unless a consensus (not a few people remaining in disagreement with each other) exists, the content may not be restored. Finding such a consensus is your task (WP:ONUS) and you seem to have failed so far. Which isn't an unusual thing. The unusual thing in this discussion here is that one person keeps repeating their view again and again. Please disengage, find something else to edit, go away from this article for a while. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 09:20, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

I'm not sure SummerSlam needs to be mentioned at all; it might be one of their bigger PPVs, but we have to draw the line somewhere. I'd be more on board with mentioning the number of WM main events, but I'd actually just leave it as "mulitple WrestleMania main events" or words to that effect. — Czello ^(music) 09:20, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

Shouldn’t the page be restored to what it was before that discussion started? @ToBeFree

we stopped editing and went into the discussion page because of this

and it isn’t a problem for this page only

there are probably 30 wrestlers who headlined wrestlemania not just Brock Lesnar that will have to be edited MichaelJames98 (talk) 09:50, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

Why would it be restored when there's clearly not a consensus for the original wording? — Czello ^(music) 09:53, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

MichaelJames98, I quote two policies saying otherwise and you respond by asking if it shouldn't be different. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:34, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

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Shaping up to be a main event here. Please continue on, don't mind me .. it beats the retirement deal that was going on. Bringingthewood (talk) 23:39, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

My opinion, include the text if it's included in the body, it's sourced and it's notable. Maybe, Hogan main eventing the first wrestlemanias is notable. Maybe, Roman Reigns being the wrestler with most main events it's notable. Maybe, Bam Bam Bigelow main eventing wrestlemania is notable since it was a high profile match and Bigelow wan't a main event star. Punk, Rhodes and many other main evented WrestleMania, but it's not notable per se. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:17, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

Retirement

We've already done this before. No one is truly retired in wrestling. Brock is expected to return at WrestleMania 43 (https://www.cagesideseats.com/rumor-round-up/466662/rumor-roundup-brock-lesnar-wwe-return-wrestlemania-43-saudi-arabia-hof-ripley-surgery-mexico).

This isn't office work where once you leave, you can never return.

Instead of having to remove the retirement part again when he returns, just stop adding "retired" to wrestler pages. Linkin Prankster (talk) 07:07, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

By that logic we should never call any wrestler retired.

But the reality is that until they undo their retirement, they're retired per WP:CRYSTAL. I don't think rumours should undo that. — Czello ^(music) 07:14, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

We should indeed never call any wrestler retired. It isn't CRYSTAL when a wrestler has a record track of leaving and returning multiple times. Linkin Prankster (talk) 07:38, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

Actually that would indeed still be WP:CRYSTAL, because it's not on us to predict a wrestler's future movements. The idea that we should never use the word retired is, well, a bold one to say the least, but that would be such a massive change to our articles that you'd need to get consensus for that over at WP:PW, but that would be unlikely. Until that point, we still call wrestlers retired. — Czello ^(music) 08:00, 8 August 2026 (UTC)