Talk:Bayswater Support Group

"many of whom also engage in child abuse" et. al.

recently there's been back-and-forth from some IP editors and some registered about adding this sentence into the lede. this is important because according to TransSafety.Network and TBIJ, this group has engaged in abuse and influenced British policymakers. the main part of the first TBIJ article that supports this (that I could find) is:

An investigation by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ) reveals the significant role Bayswater Support Group – an organisation with about 650 members set up by a handful of parents – has played in shaping policy around one of the most contested issues in UK politics, including influencing prosecutors’ guidelines relating to domestic abuse. TBIJ’s findings are based on posts on Bayswater’s online forum over a 12-month period.

the second article is based entirely around the abuse and, at least in my opinion, definitely constitutes enough sourcing for this to be included into the lede:

Members are aware that some of their behaviour is considered abuse. One user posted a link to an article about anti-LGBTQ+ domestic abuse, with the caption: “Examples include monitoring interaction with friends. Imagine it also includes refusal to affirm.” Another parent sarcastically responded “Yes, we are abusive!”, with the original commenter retorting: “One day, they may thank us for that ‘abuse’”.

pinging @Animalparty, @LunaHasArrived, @Snokalok, @Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist. pauliesnug ^{(message / contribs)} 04:11, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Just mentioning that the first point has nothing to do with whether or not the parents are abusive. Just that the group managed to change the prosecution guidelines on domestic abuse, we do currently mention this fact at the end of the first paragraph of the lead.

To me the label isn't necessary in the lead and I'd rather we extend the second paragraph a little to discuss more of the parents actions against their transgender children (destruction of medication being the main one coming to mind.) LunaHasArrived (talk) 14:29, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Support Group

I wanted to start a discussion about us using the term Support group in both the opening sentence and the short description, as well as a larger conversation about the short description as a whole.

Now having a quick look through the sources most don't use article voice to describe them as a support group, the closest we have is the only academic source Which describes them as "functioning as support groups for parents concerned about their own children’s trans identities", however most others describe them as a parents group or a lobbyist organisation.

Given that the most comprehensive source on the subject (TBIJ) mention Bayswater deliberately presents itself as a support group I just want to make sure we're not simply copying their own self serving self description.

For the short description there's also the use of "Gender-critical" which is barely used in this article at all (although supported by a couple of sources including the DiGeSt one above) but I do struggle to come up with something else short that may be slightly more descriptive/ accurate. LunaHasArrived (talk) 14:44, 25 September 2025 (UTC)