Talk:Bamboo fly rod

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Removed the linking of Hoagy B. Carmichael's name to the Wiki page for Howard Hoagland Carmichael, the Hoagy Carmichael of musical and film fame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.50.148.212 (talk) 17:27, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dedoo, nice to hear from you.

It is important that articles are written from a neutral point of view. Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view

The addition of Marc Aroner, who is a living rod builder, raises concerns about notability.

As you know, the articles are meant to be encyclopedic in nature, which means accessible to all about a given topic. So, it doesn't matter that "all rod builders" know something. What matters is what makes it relevant to the masses.

Resources that might make a difference in this article include:

• Walton, Isaac. The Compleat Angler, London [1856] - This 1856 edition contains a mention by the publisher of Henry C. Bohn making rods with bamboo.

• McClane, A.J. The Wise Fisherman's Encyclopedia, New York, Wm H. Wise & Co, Inc, 1951

• Herter, G.L. Professional Split Bamboo Rod Building Manual and Manufacturer's Guide, Herter [1949] - 152 pages

• Engle, Ed. Splitting Cane - Conversations with Bamboo Rodmakers , Stackpole Books, [2002] - (Conversations with 16 of today's bamboo rodmakers. Note: Aroner is not included in this comprehensive book.).

• Farelly, David. The Book of Bamboo, Sierra Club Books [1984] - A comprehensive guide to it's uses, and it's history.

• Cattanach, Wayne. Handcrafting Bamboo Rods, Cattanach [1992] & The Lyons Press (Revised edition) [2000] - A comprehensive guide to bu.ilding bamboo fly rods

• Payne & Co. E. F. Payne Rod Co. Corporate Record Book, Centennial [199?] - 1930-1968 Corporate Record Book & History. Does not contain information on rods.

• Wright, L. M. Jr. (ed.). The Fly Fisher's Reader, Simon & Schuster [1990] - Chapter on Hiram Leonard by Sparse Grey Hackle

Garrison and Carmichael wrote the first complete book on bamboo fly-rod building. Most beginners will manage to build a nice bamboo rod with this book as the only instruction.

The DVD "Trout Grass" and one of its producers, Andy Royer, are deep on the subject of Tonkin Cane.

In addition, you could use as a potential resource. Charles Demerest has been around a long time.

Hope this helps.

Bluestripe 14:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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Edit request: Add contemporary English maker reference to "In modern fishing" section

I'd like to propose a small addition to the In modern fishing section. The section currently covers only the biology of Tonkin cane and the manufacturing time involved; it does not yet name any contemporary makers, despite the article already citing one (Chris Clemes Fly Rods, in the References list as a source for the "Brief history of split cane rod making").

Proposed addition (to be added as a new paragraph at the end of the existing "In modern fishing" section):

Small-batch makers of bamboo fly rods continue to operate in the United Kingdom and elsewhere, serving collectors and traditional fly fishers. Contemporary English makers include Chris Clemes Fly Rods, founded in 2012, whose handmade split cane rods have been featured in The Times Luxury and the Financial Times supplement How to Spend It.

Conflict of interest disclosure

I am Chris Clemes, founder of Chris Clemes Fly Rods. I have a financial conflict of interest with respect to the subject of this proposed addition. In line with WP:COI I have not made the edit directly but am requesting it via this Talk page so an uninvolved editor can judge it on its merits. Both citations are independent secondary sources from national UK press; neither is published by me. I am happy to take any feedback on the wording. ObelixCCC (talk) 07:28, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ObelixCCC (talk) 07:28, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

 Not done Hi Chris, thank you for the proposed edit. I think it would be reasonable to add some text mentioning contemporary bamboo fly rod manufacturers. However, I think only listing your company would provide undue weight toward your business. Are there other contemporary makers who have also been referenced in recent media who could also be mentioned? I have marked this edit request as answered, but change "|answered=yes" to "|answered=no" in the {{edit coi}} template above to reopen your request. Best, Spencer^T•C 07:01, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

Thank you Spencer, that makes sense ObelixCCC (talk) 14:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

Following up with a more concrete proposal. Rather than a list of UK makers each with their own citation (most contemporary makers don't have stand-alone national-press coverage that would meet WP:RS), this leans on a single independent secondary source — the Heritage Crafts Red List of Endangered Crafts entry for split-cane rod making — which itself names multiple currently-practising UK makers. Heritage Crafts is the UK's lead body for traditional craft and is already widely cited on Wikipedia in endangered-craft contexts.

Revised proposed addition (to be added at the end of the existing "In modern fishing" section):

Split-cane rod making in the United Kingdom is listed as an endangered craft on the Heritage Crafts Red List, with a small number of workshops continuing to produce bespoke bamboo fly rods for collectors and traditional fly fishers. Currently practising makers named in the Red List entry include Luke Bannister in Cornwall, Chris Clemes Fly Rods in London, the Edward Barder Rod Company in Newbury, Berkshire, and Calum Gladstone in Alnwick, Northumberland.

I'm leaving the COI tag in place and won't make this edit myself — happy for any uninvolved editor to adopt or amend the wording.

Best Chris ObelixCCC (talk) 15:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

 Done. I slightly modified the reference and linked Red List of Endangered Crafts. Spencer^T•C 22:04, 6 May 2026 (UTC)