Talk:Angelle (singer)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Rjjiii talk 13:23, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that despite being the subject of an entire television channel, Angelle's debut single "Joy & Pain" only reached No. 43 on the UK Singles Chart? Source: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/FLOP+IDOL;+Millionaire+boyfriend,+Britney+looks+and+TV+channel...-a091569536
  • ALT1: ... that the British entrepreneur Sarah Bennett went from being "one of the biggest flops in pop history" to appearing on the Sunday Times Rich List 2017? Source: as above, plus https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/illionaire-mum-sarah-bennett-success-24-hours-maternity-leave-five-children-kids-a7785736.html
  • ALT2: ... that Colin Paterson described Paul King's interview of the British singer Angelle as "his most degrading moment since he put on that yellow tartan suit for the Love And Pride video"? Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2002/jul/20/artsfeatures.features
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fair Work Ombudsman v Quest South Perth

5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 14:38, 21 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Angelle (singer); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: ALT2 is not interesting, so I have struck it; my preference is for ALT1, both for interest and BLP reasons. I'm not entirely sure that the article should be titled with her stage name, which she seems to have used for around six years at most and not in the past two decades, but that's not under the purview of DYK. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:43, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

It's the name under which she passes WP:MUSICBIO#C2, and the name under which she has most of her coverage. Might put in an RM after this has run to be sure.--Launchballer 01:47, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Adapted from WP:ERRORS (diff):

@Launchballer, AirshipJungleman29, and PrimalMustelid: I'm sorry I didn't catch this earlier, but Angelle (singer) has multiple BLP problems. The Sunday Mercury is a tabloid, so I'd be very very hestitant to use it, but even if it were reliable, the "pop insider" was misquoted in the article and not even attributed in the hook, which is a huge red flag for a negative aspersion about a BLP. She wasn't the flop, a specific performance she gave was described by an anonymous source to a tabloid as a flop. That's very different, and on (DYK)BLP and V grounds, I'm pulling this. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

You caught me literally two minutes after I closed my lid; I did seriously consider saying "let's knock this prep set back by a day and I'll review the next one", and I'm annoyed that I didn't. I've taken out the Sunday Mercury and most of the Mirror (they're not seriously getting TV listings wrong, are they?). I just found Chart-watch.uk, which appears to be the blog of James Masterton, an WP:EXPERTSPS, so that could be used for ALT0, alternatively ALT3: ... that the British entrepreneur Sarah Bennett went from a flop music career to appearing on the Sunday Times Rich List 2017?--Launchballer 09:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Usually that'd work, but you can't use SPS for claims about living third parties. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:21, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

For posterity, I meant laptop lid... ALT4: ... that future Sunday Times Rich List 2017 entrant Angelle's 2002 debut single was promoted with an entire television channel - and still only made No. 43 on the UK Singles Chart? (Ref 8, the Times, for the Rich List, Ref 4, the Guardian, for the channel, and either Chart-watch.uk or Ref 6, the Official Charts Company, for the chart position.)--Launchballer 19:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Theleekycauldron: Can ALT4 be reviewed?--Launchballer 06:27, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Leeky appears to be busy, so could someone else approve ALT4 please?--Launchballer 01:36, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

• I'd go with something like ALT4a: ... that Angelle's debut single was promoted with an entire television channel – and still only reached 43rd on the UK Singles Chart? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:11, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
• Fine by me, with one tweak: ALT4b: ... that Angelle's debut single was promoted with an entire television channel – and still only made No. 43 on the UK Singles Chart? (or 'could still only manage')--Launchballer 21:14, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
  • do we gotta? aight, fine. could the sentence citing Paterson be toned down a bit and get a good copyedit? Breaking it up might help. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I thought what I wrote was a fair summary of the source, although I agree that the "amazingly slick" quote would be better in wikivoice, meaning the sentence should now flow a bit better. Were there any phrases you objected to? Cut right down. Also:

• ALT4c: ... that Angelle's debut single was promoted with an entire television channel – and still only reached No. 43 on the UK Singles Chart?--Launchballer 21:48, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Approving hook Alt 4C which can be promoted. Looks like the earlier concerns about sourcing were addressed by Launchballer who removed the questionable material from the article. 4meter4 (talk) 16:53, 21 March 2024 (UTC)