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commons:File:Head of Thutmose IV wearing the blue crown. 18th Dynasty. State Museum of Egyptian Art, Munich.jpg: Reasonable suspicion of a modern forgery

Latest comment: 8 months ago3 comments2 people in discussion

In an academic paper published in 2021, Egyptologist Helmut Brandl (https://hu-berlin.academia.edu/HelmutBrandl) stated and provided detailed reasons why this cannot be a depiction of Thutmose IV: "In the author's view, there is only one plausible explanation for the different nature of the Munich head (ÄS 6770): it does not depict Thutmose IV and does not originate from antiquity, but was produced based on one or more models from the reign of Amenhotep III, which are, however, significantly larger in size. [...] Due to vague similarities between its profile and that of reliefs of Thutmose IV, the head cannot and must not be identified as a representation of Thutmose IV, even in distinction to Amenhotep III." (p. 126)

Translation of bibliographical information: Brandl, Helmut: Amenhotep and Thutmose? A critical look at three alleged works of royal sculpture from the New Kingdom, in Arnst, Caris-Beatrice and Schulz, Regine (eds.): Types, Motifs, Stylistic Devices, Heidelberg: Propylaeum, 2021 (Contributions to Ancient Egyptian Art, Volume 1), pp. 108–145. https://doi.org/10.11588/propylaeum.838.c10785

German original: Brandl, Helmut: Amenophis und Thutmosis? Drei angebliche Werke der Königsplastik des Neuen Reiches kritisch betrachtet. In Caris-Beatrice Arnst, Regine Schulz (Hrsg.): Typen, Motive, Stilmittel (= Beiträge zur Altägyptischen Kunst. Band 1). Propylaeum, Heidelberg 2021, S. 108–145, {{doi|10.11588/propylaeum.838.c10785

That's why I removed the picture. --ThT (talk) 14:40, 24 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Do we have actual proof it is a fake than a person emphasessing an opinion in a professional way? Is there any testing of the statue head? UWMKEgypt (talk) 21:48, 5 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

The author is Egyptologist and the paper cited was published by the Heidelberg University. This Egyptologist performed a deep stylistic analysis which is an accepted method in Egyptology as far as I know. His result is clear: the head cannot and must not be identified as a representation of Thutmose IV. In my view the use of an image as representation of a person should be based on certainty. The reasonable suspicion of a modern forgery should be enough (cf. WP:OR) to avoid the use that image to illustrate the historic person Thutmose IV. Best, --ThT (talk) 14:37, 23 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

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commons:File:Head of Thutmose IV wearing the blue crown. 18th Dynasty. State Museum of Egyptian Art, Munich.jpg: Reasonable suspicion of a modern forgery