Template talk:User cnr

Serbianisation of the text

The text should actually say, "This user is a native speaker of Montenegrin language", in english. If it is Montenegrin that we want to use, as it is not standardised, we have two options:

• use standard Serbo-Croatian, which defies the purpose of the template.
• Agree ourselves on what is the "standard". I mean native Montenegrin speakers, others wouldn't know it anyway.

My proposal: "Ovi clan zbori Crnogorski ka svoj maternji", or "Ovome clanu je Crnogorski maternji". Regards, Momisan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.20.20.129 (talk • contribs) 04:02, 23 October 2006

Cool - but why "clan"? Why use član? --PaxEquilibrium 15:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Montenegrins don't say suradnik but saradnik, so that should be immediately corrected. Or just put in a compromise word korisnik, as a proper translation of user. Sideshow Bob 02:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

That was my suggestion from the beginning (problem is some users dislike the similarity with the Serbian language). --PaxEquilibrium 22:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, Pax has been harassing me on my home page about this, so I think its the best to clear things up in here. It is not that I want to get rid of Serbian words (yeah right I hear you say :-), however, korisnik is an incredibly clumsy translation of user. Why, because user is itself a misnomer in English, in the context of Wikipedia. I personally prefer član (member) as in member of the team, member of the library etc. It just sound better in Montenegrin (and Serbian for that matter), korisnik sounds totally out of place and artificial, like the most of computer-term neologisms in Serbian anyway. član is Serbian as much as Montenegrin so noone should feel threatened. Momisan 01:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

As for saradnik, Bob is correct in saying that it has been used almost exclusively in Montenegro as oposed to suradnik. Some people do use suradnik (as Pax labels them Jevrem followers, scum of the earth, those publishers of Pri$et, you know...), also, su has been originally used in Montenegrin istead of sa (now an archaism). I personally say saradnik, however, I did read suradnik in Montenegrin papers in the last 10-15 years so I acknowledged that fact in my proposal, that is all. Saradnik is still better than korisnik in my opinion, for the reasons previously mentioned. Momisan 01:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

"Those publishers of Pri$et, you know"? Huh? What does that mean? Yeah, "su" was indeed used not just in Montenegro but all (South) Slavic places. Besides, I have never ever met greater mention of "su" in Montenegro like I did in say Croatia & Serbia (AFAIK, I have seen no mention except that single one from Saint Vitus' Day, 1896). Momisan, this has nothing to do with threats or anything; the word simply has to have the meaning the one who uses and that's no such case with "clan". --PaxEquilibrium 23:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)