Template talk:User ambition

What to should we do with this?

This template is only used by User:Media Kid is always here, whose only edits, on 2006 May 30 from 03:48 to 03:50, were to, from first to last:

• creating the discussion User talk:Cacetudo § Ambition? (which has not been replied to), stating "You seem pretty prestigious; do you play the card game Ambition?"
• adding this template to their user page
• creating this template

User:Media Kid's Strom Thurmond surprise was an alleged sockpuppet of User:Mike Church (see also User talk:Mike Church~enwiki), so it seems likely that User:Media Kid is always here was (also) a sockpuppet.

The version of the "ambition" page at the time was still a disambiguation page that did not mention anything really game-related.

I searched for this "Ambition" card game, and apparently it (not to be confused with the 2017 Rob Acton game published by Action Games SA) was invented by a Michael O. Church in 2003; here are the sources I've found:

• User:EventHorizon/ambition findings (which points out that Church himself was against [English] Wikipedia having an article on it), and links from there
  • The Usenet thread is now at https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.playing-cards/c/zj8HYYBNZS4#83a31ecca1596c2f or https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.board/c/zj8HYYBNZS4/m/17n8BOsmAigJ
• fr:Discussion:Ambition (jeu de cartes)/Admissibilité, wherein on 2006 April 21 fr:Utilisateur:Mike Church says:
  • "the game is notable enough to be included"
  • "the article in the English Wikipedia was deleted; in fact, I requested that it be deleted after there was an attack on the game's article spawned by some other contributors' oppositions to my political beliefs (left-of-center)"
  • "Since such an attack has never been made on me here-- the Fr. Wikipedia is much more civilized than En.-- and probably never will be, I have no objection to the article's existence."
  • "I'm neutral, maybe slightly positive, on the matter of keeping it."
• (On the topic of notability and privacy, I'm trying to decide what to make of Church's 2006 September 11 blog post stating, 'I have chosen, of late, to become a more private individual and avoid being a part of the "blog" scene. My other blog has been taken down, and I don't intend to resurrect it. The risks associated with personal blog activity do not, in any way, justify the improbable upsides.')
• https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S7lsZKzHuuhoTb2Wj_L3zrhHZh5IEKBDf56ExgErv4o (official rules)
• https://www.melankolia.net/gameblog/archives/2005/02/ambition.html
• https://www.catsatcards.com/Games/Ambition.htm
• https://web.archive.org/web/20050408195449/http://www.thegamesjournal.com/articles/Ambition1.shtml ("Ambition: Motivation, Design, and Evolution, Part I" by Mike Church, March 2005)
• https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/16043/ambition
• https://web.archive.org/web/20050323194709/http://www.cardschat.com/t52793-ambition-card-game.html, https://web.archive.org/web/20050426050430/http://www.cardschat.com/showthread.php?t=52793, https://web.archive.org/web/20120427051411/http://www.cardschat.com/f13/ambition-card-game-52793/, or https://www.casino.us/cardschat/general-poker-13/ambition-card-game-52793/
• "ボードゲーム・カードゲームのこの魅力。: ニコリおすすめゲームズ: アンビション Ambition". 好評連載. パズル通信. No. 106. ニコリ [Nikoli]. March 10, 2004. (Abstract in https://web.archive.org/web/20040413234245/http://www.nikoli.co.jp/storage/nikoli/ and https://www.nikoli.co.jp/ja/publication/various/nikoli/back_number/nikoli106/.)

Given that the sources (particularly the reviews by Mikko Saari [melankolia.net] and Cats At Cards) are in my opinion enough for notability (though just barely), and the game's creator's objections to the article's existence were solely due to vandalism, should we try again to create it, since the vandals ought to be long gone?

Anyways, as for the template itself, linking to the disambiguation page "ambition" is unhelpful, so I think:

• If we create an article for the card game, we should change the link to point to it.
• Otherwise, we should probably just remove the link and replace "ambition" with "the card game Ambition".

Also, would it be worth substituting this template into User:Media Kid is always here and then deleting it, since that's the only place it's currently and likely ever going to be used?

Solomon Ucko (talk) 00:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) (edited 00:20, 6 May 2026 (UTC))