Template talk:Infobox mill building

See Torr Vale Mill. There are two red error messages {{#coordinates:}}: invalid longitude which are cause by a combination of the |longitude=-2.0032 being negative and the first line of this infobox, which is

{{#if:{{{latitude|}}}|{{coord|{{{latitude|}}}|N|{{{longitude|}}}|E|type:landmark|display=title}}

This expects the longitude to be east whereas a negative longitude is west. We need to remove both of the hemisphere specifiers to leave

{{#if:{{{latitude|}}}|{{coord|{{{latitude|}}}|{{{longitude|}}}|type:landmark|display=title}}

--Redrose64 (talk) 11:44, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Similar problems at: Brunswick Mill, Ancoats; Ellenroad Mill; Junction Mill, Middleton Junction. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:47, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

fixed? Frietjes (talk) 21:54, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

These four are, yes; but I'm wondering whether any articles had the wrong sign for E/W in an attempt to "fix" the problem as it stood. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:13, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it was actually possible to fix it through a change in the article, but we can certainly scan all 97 transclusions and check. Frietjes (talk) 22:27, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I don know what the logic is of the template changes but ALL 54 members of Category:Textile mills owned by the Lancashire Cotton Corporation are broken. Could I suggest that you roll back the changes to clean version- and rethink the logic and sandbox the proposed changes. --ClemRutter (talk) 00:26, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

No still well and truly broken- Look at Category:Textile mills in the United Kingdom- in all the subcategories every single infobox is broken. I will leave this fifteen minutes then attempt a roll back. --ClemRutter (talk) 00:37, 7 December 2012 (UTC) Roll back failed- — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClemRutter (talk • contribs) 01:07, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's a problem with this infobox. Please see WP:VPT#Recent changes to MediaWiki and Template talk:Convert#Errors at the moment. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:45, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

OK, {{Infobox mill building/sandbox}} now contains the version as left by Frietjes yesterday. I've tried this in some of the pages in Category:Textile mills in the United Kingdom (in preview mode, not saved) and I see no error messages (and no obvious errors either). This is in contrast to the present version (almost identical to that of 6 March), which exhibits the {{#coordinates:}}: invalid longitude problem as described above. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:55, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I am looking at Junction Mill, Middleton Junction which works when {{Infobox mill building/sandbox}} replaces {{Infobox Mill building}} that was redirected to {{Infobox mill building}}. That mill is representative of all 54. Making that version the substantive would cure most of the mill ailments. Looking at the page- (barring the capitalisation M->m) there is no error in the data given. One of the transclude templates incorrectly added both the (-) and the (W). The error does not occur in TMtr lines in List of mills owned by the Lancashire Cotton Corporation Limited .--ClemRutter (talk) 15:43, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

The template sandbox {{Infobox mill building/sandbox}} is identical to the version of {{Infobox mill building}} which you rejected as unsafe at 00:58 today.

No templates have added either the (-) or a (W). The negative sign is in the |longitude= parameter in Junction Mill, Middleton Junction itself; the incorrect hemisphere (which is E, not W) is added by the very first line of {{Infobox mill building}}.

The coordinates on Junction Mill, Middleton Junction behave differently from those on List of mills owned by the Lancashire Cotton Corporation Limited because the {{coord}} template is passed slightly different parameters. Consider the actual use of {{TMtr}} in that page. It begins

{{TMtr|[[Junction Mill, Middleton Junction|Junction]]| Middleton Junction|{{Coord|53.5411|-2.1679|display=inline|region:GB|format=dms|name="Junction Mill, Middleton Junction"}}|| In 1891,

Notice how the {{coord}} uses just two coordinate values, no hemispheres. If I were to add hemispheres:

{{Coord|53.5411|N|-2.1679|E|display=inline|region:GB|format=dms|name="Junction Mill, Middleton Junction"}}

it would show as {{Coord|53.5411|N|-2.1679|E|display=inline|region:GB|format=dms|name="Junction Mill, Middleton Junction"}} which is precisely the same problem that the main article Junction Mill, Middleton Junction presently shows. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:33, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

indeed, the problem was with changes to the backend software, which has been fixed. Frietjes (talk) 17:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, looks good now. Thanks for the effort you have put in.--ClemRutter (talk) 19:06, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Alternative to "alternate"

In British English we don't use the word "alternate" as used here in "alternate name". We say "alternative name" instead. I don't know if "alternative" is used outside the UK. Could we have an option to use "alternative" in British articles (or all articles if that made sense)? -- Dr Greg  talk  16:12, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like a sensible improvement. I have been thinking about other improvements- Most mills have a county reference number, and a listing building list entry number, date of listing- is there anything else we need? -- Clem Rutter (talk) 18:00, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Can you test if that has fixed it- or give me the article name you are working on so I can see myself, cheers. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 18:10, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that is now fixed in the article I was looking at, Kirk Mill. The only issue is whether "alternative names" is valid in American English (or any other variety) where this template might also be used. -- Dr Greg  talk  22:10, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Mapframe maps?

{{Infobox building}} and {{Infobox shopping mall}} have both recently been updated to automatically show dynamic mapframe maps by default. I am proposing to similarly show such maps by default for this template, with the same optional parameters to adjust the size, frame center point, initial zoom level, and marker icon; and to similarly allow the mapframe map to be turned off using |mapframe=no. See Template:Infobox building#Mapframe maps and Template talk:Infobox building#Change to the map parameter so Kartographer works for further information. (FYI: I'm making similar proposal for other buildings infobox templates) - Evad37 [talk] 15:36, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

para display

|current_status= displays after the label Architectural style. It looks like it has been like this for over 10 years. Not sure if this was a simple oversight? See Shihlin Paper Mill as an example. Frietjes? MB 02:58, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

yes, it looks like this one goes back to March 2009. now fixed. Frietjes (talk) 15:06, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

renovation para

Junction Mill, Middleton Junction uses |re-equipment_date_2= and |re-equipment_date_3= but they don't display. It looks like the template is trying to make a bulleted list (with |renovation_date= which is not used in this case; an "empty" numbered bullet point is displayed). But even if I put a date in that field, the other two dates don't display. If I remove the two dates, then the Renovated label is not displayed. Frietjes? MB 02:25, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

User:MB there was a typo using re-equipmen_date instead of re-equipment_date. not sure if there are places using the typo. Frietjes (talk) 21:19, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. One question, looking at the template code changes you made, renovation_date still works and is an alias of re-equipment_date_1? If so, then this doc change that I made should be accurate. MB 22:04, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Pushpin map cleanup

As part of a larger refactor of Module:Location map, I will be refactoring the way that this Infobox calls the location map code. The only noticeable change for most will be that the parameter names related to the pushpin maps will now all start with |pushpin_...=. This is part of a larger effort to make things consistent across Infoboxes. When this is done, ALL infoboxes using pushpin maps will use the same parameters. For more information about this, please see this post by Zackmann08. Note that this follows a long list of similar clean ups that I have done on countless other Infoboxes.

The six parameters I plan to replace are the following:

Deprecate	Replace with
|map_type=	|pushpin_map=
|map_caption=	|pushpin_caption=
|relief=	|pushpin_relief=
|map_dot_label=	|pushpin_label=
|map_alt=	|pushpin_alt=
|map_size=	|pushpin_map_size=

Please post below with any questions, comments or concerns about this cleanup. Thomasfan1916^{[built buses?]} 20:47, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

As I attempted to explain here, you are not doing this correctly and are breaking hundreds of pages. Please stop! Your changes have been reverted. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 03:57, 12 July 2026 (UTC)

Pushpin map cleanup (correctly this time)

As part of a larger refactor of Module:Location map, I will be refactoring the way that this Infobox calls the location map code. The only noticeable change for most will be that the parameter names related to the pushpin maps will now all start with |pushpin_...=. This is part of a larger effort to make things consistent across Infoboxes. When this is done, ALL infoboxes using pushpin maps will use the same parameters. For more information about this, please see this post. As part of this cleanup, I am also going to resolving any conflicting parameters that I can find and cleaning up parameter names that fail to conform to MOS:INFOBOXNAME. Note that this follows a long list of similar clean ups that I have done on countless other Infoboxes. The parameters I plan to replace are the following:

Deprecate	Replace with
|building_name=	|name=
|native_building_name=	|native_name=
|map_type=	|pushpin_map=
|relief=	|pushpin_relief=
|map_caption=	|pushpin_caption=
|map_alt=	|pushpin_alt=
|map dot label=	|pushpin_lable=
|map_dot_label=	|pushpin_label=
|map_size=	|pushpin_map_size=
|Spindles=	|spindles=
|style=	|architectural_style=
|start_date=	|construction_start_date=
|inauguration_date=	|completion_date=
|re-equipmen_date_1=	|re-equipment_date_1=
|re-equipmen_date_2=	|re-equipment_date_2=
|re-equipmen_date_3=	|re-equipment_date_3=
|date_demolished=	|demolition_date=

Please chime in below with any questions, comments or concerns about this cleanup. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 03:57, 14 July 2026 (UTC)