Talk:Zabuton
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[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 20:36, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
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- ... that the audience will sometimes heckle defeated sumo wrestlers by throwing zabuton onto the stage at them? Source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0378216614002604?via%3Dihub Quote from page 46: "Zabuton-wo-nageru describes heckling behavior when a lower ranking sumo wrestler defeats the leading wrestler (yokozuna), or another surprising or upsetting event occurs on the wrestling platform. Throwing zabuton mats is meant to be both destructive and constructive: the mats are usually thrown onto the stage whilst the wrestlers are still there, and the closing ritual of the bout is going on."
5x expanded by Aoidh (talk). Self-nominated at 06:49, 26 December 2022 (UTC).
Hi Aoidh (talk), I'm not getting a 5x expansion on this. I count 1,270 characters in this version of 16 December and 3,594 in the current version - Dumelow (talk) 10:39, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: That is odd, when I use the WP:DYKCHECK tool on that diff it shows me only 713 characters. - Aoidh (talk) 10:53, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Aoidh, I suspect it doesn't count the bullet points. On checking the Eligibility criteria I see it says to exclude lists, which I suppose the bullet points are, so expansion should now be OK. I'll complete the review shortly - Dumelow (talk) 10:57, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
I had already checked the source through WP:Library and it supports the hook, which is also mentioned in the article; I didn't pick up on any overly close paraphrasing; inline citations are used throughout and sources appear to be reliable. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 11:11, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Aoidh, I suspect it doesn't count the bullet points. On checking the Eligibility criteria I see it says to exclude lists, which I suppose the bullet points are, so expansion should now be OK. I'll complete the review shortly - Dumelow (talk) 10:57, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: That is odd, when I use the WP:DYKCHECK tool on that diff it shows me only 713 characters. - Aoidh (talk) 10:53, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'm surprised to find zabuton-throwing for a kinboshi described as "heckling". Heckling implies insulting, derision, taunting, badgering, etc., and I've understood the tradition to be celebrating the winner and the uncommon spectacle, not making fun of the loser. See for example this NHK informational video. "Although it's prohibited, excited fans can't help but toss their floor cushions towards the ring", says the voice-over (0:53). Look at the crowd; raucous, excited, cheering, not heckling. Adumbrativus (talk) 19:49, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- Adumbrativus I too was surprised at the use of the term, but it is in the RS as a form of heckling. Bruxton (talk) 20:32, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
Size
[edit]article says size is "2 square feet to 3 square feet". That would be about 14 inches to 20 inches square.
I think the author meant 2 to 3 foot square, 24 to 36 inches on a side. 2600:1005:A022:9DA5:419:9DF:A805:4886 (talk) 10:44, 26 August 2025 (UTC)