Talk:Yu-no

Translating the Japanese YU-NO page

The Japanese article currently goes into way too much depth (practically a walkthrough!) and also presents things in a confusing order to someone unfamiliar with the game, so I'm trying to just bring over the most important parts in each section and clarify/trim things as needed. There is definitely plenty of useful and interesting info about this game there, which is pretty significant in Japan and mostly unheard of in the West (An english translation patch was just finished this year, probably should add that somewhere...) I would like to flesh out the character section some more, but it might be beyond my poor language skills. I also worked in the original paragraph pulled from the ELF Corporation YU-NO section, mainly to mention the composer Ryu Umemoto. ソナタ (talk) 06:34, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Sources for direct influence?

I have seen claims of the existence of interviews and such wherein multiple prominent visual novel authors reveal being influenced by YU-NO. I haven't been able to find these. If they do exist, I believe they'd be a crucial addition in confirming the game's influence.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:35, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I've found the following Japanese source from the Japanese Wikipedia page:

• "名作「YU-NO」リメイク版をサターン版と比較し徹底レビュー！". ITmedia (in Japanese). April 16, 2017. Retrieved 17 May 2019.

It mentions a number of authors who cited YU-NO as an influence during its 20th anniversary in 2016. I've added the source to the article. Maestro2016 (talk) 07:33, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

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Title

Per MOS:CAPSACRS, "Some acronyms (mostly trademarks like Yahoo! and Taser) conventionally or officially use a mixture of capitals and lowercase letters, even non-letters; for any given example, use the spelling found in the majority of reliable, independent sources (e.g., LaTeX, M&Ms, 3M, and InBev)." Is this the case with YU-NO? I haven't played this, but from skimming the article it doesn't look like Yu-no/YU-NO is an abbreviation of anything. The guideline suggests to "use the spelling found in the majority of reliable, independent sources".

Looking at English-language sources I have available

• The History and Allure of Interactive Visual Novels (2023) spell it as Yu-No: A Girl Who Chants Love at the Bound of this World (p. 22, 71, etc.)
• Gematsu write it as "YU-NO: A Girl Who Chants Love at the Bound of this World" and "YU-NO" for short. (here)
• Hardcore Gaming 101 writes it as "YU-NO: A girl who chants love at the bound of this world." and "YU-NO" for short. (here)
• The Moé Manifesto (2014) refers to it "The Girl Who Chants Love at the Edge of this World Yu-No (1996)" (p.105)
• Otaku: Japan's Database Animals (2001) calls it "Yu-No" for short. (p.108, etc.)
• NintendoLife spells it as both "Yu-No: A Girl Who Chants Love at the Bound of this World" and "YU-NO: A Girl Who Chants Love at the Bound of this World" (here)
• Digitally Downloaded seem to go back and forth between writing "YU-NO: A Girl Who Chants Love at the Bound of this World" and "Yu-No" for short, even going as far as to joke "Yu-No: A Girl With A Very Long And Silly Subtitle is much better experience than its nonsense name."
• The Anime News Network calls it (or rather, a home video version of an anime series adapted from it) as "YU-NO: A girl who chants love at the bound of this world" (here) Note the lowercase for its subtitle here.

And while not an independent source on the topic, Spike Chunsoft as the publisher of the later English version calls it "YU-NO: A girl who chants love at the bound of this world" in their press release seen here. Several of the covers of the game (as one can see at the VNDB that have an English spelling of the game also show the capital YU-NO and the lowercase subtitle. I think the Spike Chunsoft PR and these covers has a useful key point that they seem to emphasize the lowercase subtitle ("A girl who chants love at the bound of this world") as well capitalizing "YU-NO".

Some sources do go for capitalizing "YU-NO" some do not, a few make sure to write the subtitle in lowercase, others do not. MOS:TMRULES, seems to suggest it should be "Yu-No" over "YU-NO" per their "follow standard English text formatting and capitalization practices, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official", as long as this is a style already in widespread use, rather than inventing a new one"

I think we've found a few examples of it being used both ways, and I'm sure we can find a few dozen more for either side of a discussion, but I'm leaning towards the article should be moved to basically the same title but with "Yu-No" over "YU-NO" as it seems more inline with the guidelines. Anyone else have thoughts on this one? Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:47, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

The word comes from a character whose name is spelled "Yu-No" in the official translation of the remake and "Yu-no" in the fan TL, the latter of which is widely regarded superior (the former's reviewers have noted several issues with the localisation, with it sometimes even turning into outright gibberish). The article already mostly uses translation choices of the fan TL, partly because of it considerably predating the official release and being the only TL for a major portion of the article's existence. Another point that can me made is that the remake's TL is for the remake, not the original game which the article focuses on.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 19:06, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

On the other hand, a WP:COMMONNAME-related issue that occurred to me is that the fan TL translates the subtitle differently ("The Girl that Chants Love at the Edge of the World"). Virtually all other material, from before the remake's English release also, uses the current wording which really should be retained. Anyway, this was more of a tangent than I intended, and I brought up the fan TL's spelling difference mainly for comprehensiveness's sake.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 20:06, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

Regarding casing of the subtitle, the article was moved from that part being lowercase in 2017, making at least that part more correct since then, although "this" should probably be capitalised too.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 19:50, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

Haha, totally okay about the tangent. I was familiar that it was for a character in the game. This is one of those kind of Japanese games that has so much media spun from it (anime, OVA, manga, several pc/console ports in Japan, fan translations in English, official remakes in English and Japanese, etc.), it is difficult to see what we are talking about when we jump from medium to medium. I'm not that familiar with WP:ANIME guidelines, but this infobox...kind of only makes sense if your already a fan of the game and the media that spun off from it. MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE suggests we should use the infobox to summarize the key information in the article, but we have so much about all the adaptations in there that its kind of exhausting. Even harder when we have a game that swaps between "remake" and original a lot for its infobox info.

Anyways, back to the name! Its not really a matter of it being more "correct" per se for the title, its more along the lines of does saying "YU-NO" or "Yu-No" follow the guidelines? It looks like it was moved without discussion which was fine but yeah it should definitely have "This" be in capitals.

I thought of WP:COMMONNAME too, but Common name isn't really for capitalization/stylized text (at least, I don't think it is), its more for things like, William Henry Pratt's stage name was Boris Karloff, and that's what's he's called in most of the dedicated writing about him. This seems more like a situation like the band Korn, where the lead just says after "Korn (stylized as KoЯn)" or the film Seven is stylized as "Se7en". I think either "Yu-No" or "Yu-no" would be more appropriate than "YU-NO" in our guideline terms, but I think I'd let @LaukkuTheGreit: have a bit more swing in which is probably more appropriate for the article title as I've not played either version of the game. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:24, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

Requested move 11 June 2026

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The result of the move request was: moved. Moved to "Yu-no" per consensus below. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 22:02, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

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YU-NO: A Girl Who Chants Love at the Bound of this World → Yu-No: A Girl Who Chants Love at the Bound of This WorldYu-No: A Girl Who Chants Love at the Bound of This World – Per talk page discussion above from a few months ago, "YU-NO" does not appear to be an acronym, updating the title would give the proper capital on "This" and adjust the stylized text of "YU-NO" to follow the guidelines of MOS:CAPSACRS and MOS:TMRULES. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:42, 11 June 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

• Support either this or Yu-no: A Girl Who Chants Love at the Bound of This WorldYu-no: A Girl Who Chants Love at the Bound of This World (with a lowercase "n"), which I subjectively prefer, but the one by nom works also.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 21:17, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

  Yeah I'm not sure which is "more correct" for a capitalization on the "no". If there is some spelling rule or wiki guideline that suggests one over the other, I would not be happy for it go either way. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:04, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

• Suggest Yu-NoYu-No as more concise. Subtitles are often omitted from article titles, and there appear to be no other topics known as "Yu-No". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:25, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

  I'd probably be okay with this. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:07, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Relisting comment: New proposals have been brought up, relisting for more discussion Jeffrey34555 (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

I just noticed the lowercase suggestion above. I don't have an opinion about Yu-no versus Yu-No. They are both red links. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:36, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

"Yu-no" is what the article currently uses for the eponymous character, for the record.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 19:12, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

The remake character page seems to use that capitalization too. RoseCherry64 (talk) 23:36, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Anime and manga has been notified of this discussion. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Move to Yu-no and put everything else as a redirect. Generally I think the shorter names are better since there's no collision, but only mildly prefer the lowercase N. Sesquilinear (talk) 21:57, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.