Talk:Wingate University

Association with the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina

An unregistered editor is insisting that this article be edited to remove the university's association with the Association with the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina. Unfortunately, they have not provided any sources for this claim while the Southern Baptist Convention's website still lists the university as associated with that organization. Unless and until we are provided or find a different source or that website changes, this information should not be removed or edited. ElKevbo (talk) 02:49, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Why are you not looking at the school? The school does not list any affiliation with the Southern Baptist Association nor calls itself a religious school. Wingate is a private university and no longer has religious ties and hasn’t for 17 years now. Please go by the actual university and not the SBC having old information on their website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1004:B0AC:7754:28BF:9D16:8D2B:52DE (talk) 18:59, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

We have a reliable source that supports this claim and the information seems to be very relevant for readers interested in learning about this subject. If the university has cut its ties with the convention, please provide reliable sources that support your claim. ElKevbo (talk) 19:52, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

How much more reliable can you get than the actual University??

Copied & pasted directly from Wingate University’s website. Please read Wingate’s website and the history page.

https://www.wingate.edu/about/history-and-traditions

“Wingate Continues to Grow

The Wingate University Board of Trustees, under the direction of the 9th president, Dr. Jerry McGee, voted to formally acknowledge the school’s growth by changing its status to university. It was during this period that the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina ceased direct financial support of the university.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c5e:357f:98bf:9909:32d9:6dc2:4a9e (talk • contribs) 15:43, March 4, 2023 (UTC)

"Ceas[ing] direct financial support" doesn't necessarily mean "is now completely unassociated with." ElKevbo (talk) 20:52, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I have provided proof from the University’s actual website. Where is your proof from the University/Website that it is a Baptist university? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c5e:357f:98bf:c007:da51:29f0:d473 (talk • contribs) 16:35, March 4, 2023 (UTC)

You've only provided a university website that says that the institution no longer receives "direct financial support" from the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina. You haven't provided evidence that the university is no longer associated with the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina. And of course there is no reason why we would only accept evidence from the subject of this article. In fact, we strongly prefer secondary, independent sources. ElKevbo (talk) 23:10, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

And please sign your contributions to Talk; you only have to type four tildes ("~~~~"). 23:10, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

This is certainly a difficult conversation because the Southern Baptist Convention does not regularly update its website, and the process of Wingate leaving the SBC has a slow and gradual process that was not finished until 2006, when the final ties were silently broken when the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina finally yielded control of approving members to the Board of Trustees. Articles that discuss this include, https://www.starnewsonline.com/story/news/2007/03/24/five-schools-to-cut-baptist-ties/30298932007/. Also, https://baptistnews.com/article/nc-baptists-cut-wmu-funding-loosen-ties-with-colleges-take-stand-on-gays/. Wingate technically still has lose affiliation with the North Carolina Baptist Convention, but there is not financial connectivity between the school and the convention, and no special privileges are given to Baptists on the campus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.65.153.157 (talk) 02:51, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks - these sources are really helpful. ElKevbo (talk) 13:59, 19 March 2023 (UTC)