Talk:Wildfire suppression

Possible Clean Up Needed?

I am not sure. This page seems to be mostly long lists and little article detail. It certianly could use some improvment, should I tag a "Clean Up?" --ShortShadow 05:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd say so. For such a long article, there is barely any real information.

Requested move

Wildfire already exists and is well-developed (by me, so I might be biased). However, according to naming conventions, "use the most easily recognized name." I'm not sure many people outside of the wildfire business would be able to identify the US term "Wildland fire." MrBell ^(talk) 20:34, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Agree with move, and beyond just being a U.S. term, 'wildland fire' is a structural fire service term for brushfires. It wasn't used much in the forestry, and parks and land management, fields who did most of the major wildfire suppression, which historically is part of forestry and land management work and had little relationship at all to urban structural firefighting until recent years. The term is now common in the U.S., but only because interface zone fires have made interaction between the two more the norm. 96.239.151.131 (talk) 10:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

New Fire Use Article

This article needs a lot of work. I tried streamlining the history portion but with the amount of info about fire use, it might warrant a page of its own. I'll try finishing tweaking the article as I find the time. Beantwo (talk) 02:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

More ideas for expansion

"San Diego has followed the national trend of cutting out local voices in favor of national syndicated programming to save money, but that raises serious questions about how quickly the public would be served during an emergency, such as a wildfire.

“The more disconnected ownership of media is to the community, the more disastrous the result,” Bartholomew said, adding that the quality of local news is declining with consolidation. He cited a now-infamous example. In North Dakota, a train wreck released poison gas. Clear Channel owned all six stations, which were broadcast out of state. Local and state emergency authorities tried to reach broadcasters to air warnings to the public, but were unable to contact them. “The result was one death and more than 1,000 injuries,” Bartholomew observed."

Bushfire CRC: Assessing Aerial Suppression Drop Effectiveness MrBell ^(talk) 18:02, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Still More

Overall a way better article with fire use/history moved. I might suggest bringing back at least part of the United States portion with the other two countries. Beantwo (talk) 22:12, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

I've done just that, although I also renamed the branched off article to illustrate the fact that it solely describes wildfire suppression from a United States POV: history of wildfire suppression in the United States. Hope this helps, María (habla conmigo) 21:10, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

A major element needs some sort of reference or link (updated)

About the following sentence:

Prevention of this situation is reinforced with two training protocols, Ten Standard Firefighting Orders and Eighteen Situations That Shout Watch Out, which warn firefighters of potentially dangerous situations, developed in the aftermath of the Mann Gulch fire.

I recently noticed that the article lacked any link or reference for these protocols. On sites like Wildfire Today, these protocols are sometimes referred to; they are called the "10 & 18" for short. Therefore, the existing situation was unsatisfactory. I tried adding a link to this external page which says what the "10 & 18" are, and a little about how they developed. My link was reverted by User:Zackmann08 who said, "external link doesn't go in article body". I'm not sure how to provide a link or reference, without having at least one other editor consider my attempt to be a violation of some Wikipedia policy or editorial standard. However, simply undoing my edit isn't sufficient. So we need to fix the article somehow. How? Oaklandguy (talk) 08:25, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Update: I'm trying to provide same info, but as a footnote rather than an external link. Is this OK? Oaklandguy (talk) 04:47, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

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Renewal of sources for this field.

Some of the citations do not work as readers do not have access to the scientific journals, like citation 23, while others do not exist at all, like citation 24, which cites page 144 of the book which does not exist at all, and citations 15 and 16, whose websites do not exist anymore. A lot of these information are dated, and go back to 2007-2008. In the decade that has passed, some of these fire fighting techniques and strategies might have evolved, and therefore renewal of this site should be looked into as the original authors have made a good job consolidating all the information, and anyone interested can help to update them. Quikshot (talk) 07:00, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

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Currently refurbishing this article

This article has been quite poor quality for the last couple of years, and has lots of original research. The bulk of the damage was done by student editors. I have been editing for accuracy and have removed large chunks of incorrect information and OR. This project will continue until I feel confident for a GA review. Independentgeoscience (talk) 17:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

GA review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Wildfire suppression/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Independentgeoscience (talk · contribs) 21:14, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

Reviewer: Catjacket (talk · contribs) 09:21, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

Looking forward to digging into this topic! Thanks for your work. Catjacket (talk) 09:21, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear, concise and understandable to an appropriately broad audience, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   In general yes, but see section below for some grammar and phrasing tweaks that I would suggest adding in.

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

   I have some layout concerns. I don't see how the information on fire retardant substances belongs in "long term solutions" with forest thinning. For the "Incident Command" section, some of the content under the United States subsection is not specific to the US and should go in the main section. I also don't understand why the fuels rating is there - is it only used in the US? If so, are there competing fuel classifications used in other countries?

2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   Spot checks:

   History#Canada citations are a mess. First one is a dead link. The next few sentences are uncited, since they're not supported by the citation at the end of the first paragraph. Second paragraph completely unsourced. Third paragraph has a cited source, but the source doesn't support much of the content and directly contradicts some of it.

   History#United States also has a completely unsourced paragraph. This source does not support the idea that the Office of the Special Agent was created in response to the Great fires in the midwest.

   Fire Management#Direct Attack - the source does not support the claim that "All fire suppression activities are based from an anchor point".

   At this point I don't think I need to keep doing spot checks. Clear there is a big problem with the sourcing and citations for this article.

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

   Source spot-check found clear examples of WP:PLAGIARISM in the History#Australia section, specifically of this source, which is copied word for word.

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Small Improvements

• History
  • Australia
    • "aboriginals" should be capitalized and linked as Aboriginal Australians
    • "astonishingly" is MOS:PUFFERY
    • replace "NSW" with New South Wales
  • United States
    • remove "to this day", it's just the deadliest fire in American history
    • I don't like "the federal government saw that it needed to act." Make it more objective. Something like "As a result of the 1871 fire breakouts, the Office of Special Agent was created in 1876..."
    • "Fire shelters and equipment have grown" like they've gotten bigger? unclear what this means
    • "due to the harmful policies of the past" is MOS:EDITORIAL. Rephrase it.
    • IMO the paragraph specifically about 2026 is unnecessary, since it'll inevitably become outdated in a few months, but I don't feel strongly about it.

• Organization
  • United States
    • Looks like the USWFS is supposed to be funded for FY 2027, not FY2026, unless I'm misunderstanding the source

• Fire Management
  • Direct attack - Is "A spot fire is ignited further away from the main fire, while slopovers are directly on the other side of the fireline from the main fire." relevant to the topic of direct attack? seems more like just definitions that might apply to any fire.
  • Prescribed Burn Rehabilitation - don't start a new section with "However"

• Concerns in wildland fire
  • Fires at the wildland–urban interface
    • "typical towns and smaller cities near large patches of land" needs another adjective. large patches of forest land? protected land?
    • Sydney and Melbourne have not been built inside fuels. they've been built inside forests maybe?

Hold

Given the fact that all of the sources that I spot-checked had some sort of issue associated with them, including serious plagiarism issues, I'm going to put this GAN on hold for a week to provide time to fix the problems. I think the article requires a thorough evaluation of all of the citations and unsourced sentences. This might take more than a week, in which case I will fail the nomination and it can be re-nominated once the issues are addressed.

A brief response

Hi, thank you for the detailed response. I’ve reviewed your comments and I concur largely with them. I have not touched the Canadian & Australian sections (I work as a wildland firefighter in the U.S. and as such have little knowledge about them). This article was heavily edited by student editors who did a poor job and proper research and production. I will be making an effort to update this article to standard but unlikely to be able to complete it within 7 days due to my occupation and fire season. I am considering shifting this into a wildfire suppression in the U.S. article to be more precise. Thank you for your time and for reviewing this article. Independentgeoscience (talk) 05:20, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for your service. I know fire season is no joke.

If you're going to shift the focs of the article completely, then I can fail this nomination now and wait for the next one. Or I can leave it open for the week in case you have time to fix it. Your call. Catjacket (talk) 10:44, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

Currently debating, I’ll see if I can get some work done this Saturday. If it’s not considered up to snuff by then, I’ll probably shift the effort to US wildfire suppression. Thanks for the understanding and have a great rest of your day. Independentgeoscience (talk) 03:32, 26 June 2026 (UTC)

Hey, since the article hasn't been updated, I'm going to fail this nomination. Good luck working on it, and I'd be happy to re-review when it's ready. Catjacket (talk) 15:16, 1 July 2026 (UTC)