Talk:Wicked!

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:46, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

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• ... that the first Jilly Cooper bonkbuster to have a character wear a condom during sex is the 2006 novel Wicked!? Source: Page, Benedicte. "Jilly and the shagsaga: Jilly Cooper talks to Benedicte Page about changing sexual mores and her latest romp, Wicked!" The Bookseller, no. 5218, 24 Feb. 2006, pp. 20 (https://www.thebookseller.com/author-interviews/jilly-and-shagsaga)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bechbretha
  • Comment: The QPQ is from a multi-article nomination, and the article in question for this QPQ is Recholl Breth

Converted from a redirect by Lajmmoore (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 132 past nominations.

Lajmmoore (talk) 07:24, 17 April 2025 (UTC).

• Article is neutral, free from copyvio, suitably referenced, and meets the length and newness criteria—converted from a redirect on 16 April, the day before this nomination. The hook is interesting (possibly the first hook I've reviewed that uses the word "condom"), succinct, neutral, and verifiable—though I would consider mentioning (if not here then there) that it was the copyeditor who insisted on the inclusion of a condom, which makes the story even more interesting. QPQ is done. This is good to go! – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 13:29, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

• @Rhain and Lajmmoore: per WP:DYKMOS, this hook doesn't work as written. No two non-boldlinks can be next to each other.~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 04:20, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Good catch, thanks. Here's an alternative:

• ALT1: ... that Jilly Cooper's first bonkbuster to have a character wear a condom during sex is the 2006 novel Wicked!?

– Rhain ☔ (he/him) 04:39, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

• Thanks Darth Stabro - I forgot this guideline when I did the nom, would you be able to review Rhain's very kind ALT? It works as far as I am concerned Lajmmoore (talk) 19:38, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

That seems to meet the rules if Rhain wants to tick it again. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 01:14, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Happy to—it's practically identical, after all. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 01:16, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

@Rhain, Darth Stabro, and Lajmmoore: how do the hooks above meet WP:DYKFICTION? Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 20:24, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

My comment was about the sea of blue and I have no comment about the rest of the article or hook's eligibility or appropriateness. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 20:27, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

*ALT2: ... that Jilly Cooper first wrote a sex scene where a character wears a condom in the 2006 novel Wicked!?

I think this is better - it's more about her writing the scene, rather than the internal plot of the novel. I'm quite new to nominating books, so have tripped on this previously, thanks for catching it Rjjiii Lajmmoore (talk) 20:37, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore: I've struck the objection above, and that does seem better but still feels rooted in fiction. If someone else approves it, I won't object though. You might also try posting to WT:DYK to get some feedback and ideas from regulars. Good luck, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 00:58, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore and Rjjiii: I promoted ALT2 which was promptly rejected by Theleekycauldron for "DYKINT/GRAT/FICT" reasons. Think we need to start over with some new hooks. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:49, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

• Thanks Cielquiparle, how about:

ALT3 ... that as research for her novel Wicked! author Jilly Cooper taught at Barnwood Park School and set up a prize there as thanks? Teaching at BPS=https://web.archive.org/web/20160707105622/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1516944/Jilly-Cooper-goes-back-to-school.html; prize=https://www.tes.com/magazine/archive/kids-loved-her-she-made-them-feel-valued

ALT4 ... that although Wicked! is "as long as Anna Karenina", this has been described as "a mistake"? https://www.theguardian.com/books/2006/may/13/featuresreviews.guardianreview20

Do any of these work? Lajmmoore (talk) 09:30, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

adding a ping to Rhain in case they would like to re-review Lajmmoore (talk) 15:38, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

• Appreciate the extra work! I'm not entirely convinced that ALT3 is the most interesting—perhaps it could be adjusted to focus on the total schools visited? The meaning of ALT4 is a little unclear and I think requires a little more attribution. Here are some alts:

• ALT3a: ... that to research her novel Wicked!, Jilly Cooper visited six private schools and a dozen comprehensive schools, and taught at one? Sources: Raidió Teilifís Éireann, The Telegraph
• ALT4a: ... that one reviewer wrote that "Wicked! is as long as Anna Karenina and that, surely, is a mistake"? Source: The Guardian

• ALT4b: ... that Joanna Briscoe wrote that "Wicked! is as long as Anna Karenina and that, surely, is a mistake"?

Let me know your thoughts. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:20, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Fine by me, Rjjiii would you mind reviewing them? Lajmmoore (talk) 22:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore: Rather than reviewing, could I propose a variation on one of them? I think the hook below or something like it would be more direct. To me, what's odd is the contrast between writing a sexual romance novel and going to all of these schools for research. Also, I'll post to WT:DYK to request someone else drop by to review since I am offering a hook. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 00:17, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

• ALT3b: ... that to research her bonkbuster Wicked!, Jilly Cooper visited over a dozen schools and taught at one of them? Sources: [https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/book-reviews/2006/0804/445652-cooperj/ Raidió Teilifís

Approve ALT3b and ALT4a as preferred. ALT3/3a are ok but too detailed. ALT4b is technically ok too but confusing with so many names in it already. Cielquiparle (talk) 05:51, 26 May 2025 (UTC)